Want to change the Velocity Sensitivity of a voice in a perfomance or of the voice itself and having issues. I thought the instructions below would tell me how but I do not seem to be able to make them accomplish what I want.

For example say I want to make an organ be touch sensitive, volume wise like a piano.....how could I accomplish it? Reason being, that in a performance I have 4 instruments. Say, lead is an organ, with a guitar, bass and drums working on arpeggios. I could change volume with the petal but it would change all voices. If I want just the organ to get louder, one way would be hitting keys harder like on a piano. Cannot get it to work though.

In the MOXF: In order to change the Velocity Sensitivity of a PART used in a Performance you must find the Voice occupying that PART and recall it in VOICE mode. (Very Important).
Make your edits to the VOICE itself (while in VOICE mode);
Then NAME and STORE a new USER Voice to your User Bank.
Finally, return to the PERFORMANCE, now you must replace the original Voice in the PART of your Performance with your newly edited USER Voice and STORE your updated Performance.

It is that simple and that complex.

Extra Credit: Alternative Methods:
Instead of creating a (mythological) velocity sensitive Organ. If you want just the organ to get louder when you adjust your Controller, you can simply assign a Controller (like an FC7) to send CC4 (Foot Control), then all you need do is make the Organ PART's Volume parameter respond to the Foot Control. This will allow you to address just the Organ Part and not the others. This EDIT (again) would be done to the Voice in VOICE Mode using the Control Set.

Background: If you use CC7 (Main Channel Volume) or CC11 (Expression) then all PARTs of the Performance will respond together.
With CC7 all Parts receiving this command will jump to the exact same Volume value
With CC11 all Parts will change together but will remain in relative proportion to each other.
CC7 and CC11 are "channel-wide" messages - this means all active PARTS will respond to them.* You have an option that allows you to have each Part RECEIVE the VOL/EXP messages or NOT RECEIVE the VOL/EXP messages. This is accomplished with the RECEIVE SWITCH (RCV SW) parameter within the PERFORMANCE Edit area. Each PART can be made to follow or ignore specific Controls. If you set the VOL/EXP option to OFF, the PART will ignore CC7 and CC11 commands --- please Page 69 of the MOXF Reference Manual for Receive Switch options.

So this is another way you can have the FC7 Pedal just affect the PART(S) you desire.

CC4 does not have a designated parameter that it controls... When you assign the Organ Part so that
SOURCE = FC2
DESTINATION = Volume
DEPTH = +63
Now you can set the overall VOLUME of the ORGAN PART to 0... this allows you to control HOW LOUD the organ is by the position of the Foot Pedal.
Heel Down = 0 Volume....
Toe Down = 127 Volume

You can reprogram the Foot Controller jack so that instead of being FC1 default Expression.... it is FC2 default Foot Control.
Please see the following article that goes in depth on how to make advanced Controller assignments on the MOXF:
MOXF Physical Controllers and Destination Parameters

Yes, it is a bit advanced but will allow you to direct your Foot Pedal to just the Part or Parts that you desire
The first example in the article shows how you can bias the Control of a PART's Volume to the MW - but it could just as easily be your Foot Pedal. Later in the article it shows you how to reprogram your Foot Pedal so that it can be directed to send cc4 - which, as you will see, is more flexible.

If you get stuck post back here.

Hmm...not sure I understand the velocity sensitive part. Yes, I know I can only modify User Voices not presets. If I am working on a User Voice, supposedly the information I attached is supposed to be the procedure to follow? I had tried and could not follow the directions and achieve the results I was expecting.

Will try setting up pedal for just once voice in a performance....sort of get used to playing harder to get louder volume. Using the pedal, not really as comfortable to me for accentuating small parts of a song, like a couple notes that need to be accented. Fine for overall volume adjustment. Maybe picking organ is bad example, some horns appear to work with velocity sensitivity, others not set up that way.

Hmm...not sure I understand the velocity sensitive part.

BM is saying that:

1) you need to change the velocity sensitive value for the part - not for the performance.
2) the part in a performance is based on a voice so you need to change the setting for the voice the part is based on
3) the example you gave uses a preset performance/part/voice and you can't change presets
4. you need to create a user voice with the velocity sensitive value you want and then replace the preset part/voice with your new user voice

Yes, I know I can only modify User Voices not presets. If I am working on a User Voice, supposedly the information I attached is supposed to be the procedure to follow?

That is correct.

I had tried and could not follow the directions and achieve the results I was expecting.

Then you should post EXACTLY what you tried rather than some 'hypothetical'. Most of what you first posted is a series of different 'say I want to do x', 'say I want to do y'.

Instead - post the specifics of what you are actually wanting to do.

. . . say I want to make an organ be touch sensitive

Is that a hypothetical? Or is that what you want to do? Then post your specific example.

Reason being, that in a performance I have 4 instruments. Say, lead is an organ, with a guitar, bass and drums working on arpeggios.

Again - do you have 4 instruments? What are they? Are they presets? Is lead an organ with guitar, bass and drums? Post your actual use case.

Cannot get it to work though.

What is 'it'? We need to know what you are doing so we can figure out what you are doing wrong.

It is usually much easier to use the SIMPLEST possible example until you understand how to make it work. That means start with a performance that has one part, one voice and one element.

Call up the String Voice “Ens Mix” (this is a one Element Stereo Waveform that is the entire string orchestra)
Press [EDIT]
. . .
+0 is the setting you find on all organs, harpsichords, many AnalogSynth sounds... because they do Not respond to velocity

You posted that example but never told us if you were successful using velocity to change the volume/level. Were you?

If not then let's start there - post the actual steps you took with that example.

If you were successful with that example but not using a different voice (e.g. organ) then post the steps you used for your organ example.

+0 is the setting you find on all organs, harpsichords, many AnalogSynth sounds... because they do Not respond to velocity

Actually it is the other way around. The creator of the voice does not want them to respond to velocity so they use a value of +0.

Things to keep in mind about a specific example - especially a performance with 4 parts.

1. Each part can have multiple elements.
2. Each element can contribute to the overall level/volume that you hear.
3. Each element might contribute ONLY to a certain keyboard range.
4. The level/volume you perceive an element to be will depend on ALL of the other elements in all parts and the level/volume that they contribute.
5. The ONLY way to know for sure what any one element is doing is to do your tests when that element is the only one that is active.

That is why Bad Mister ask about your sound system. A standard set of studio monitors (e.g. Yamaha HS5) will NOT have sub-woofers that are specifically designed for bass notes. Those monitors will still produce sound for those notes - but it won't sound the same as it would on a high quality sound system.

So any 'solution' to your problem may depend on what your target environment is. The size and acoustics of the room you are using, the placement of the speakers relative to your ears, the quality of the sound system and even your own ears and hearing ability.

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We need to know...

....never told us...

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@Bill, who is this collective? You and your best mate, ChatGPT?

Try asking for more info in a humane and considerate, caring, perceptive, sensitive and mature manner.

This still isn't Stackoverflow.

@Mike, the "Andrew" I'm replying to is the artist formerly known as Bill. He doesn't have a MOXF, so can only answer with stuff pulled from the manuals, hence the reference to ChatGPT, a new "AI" that's good at finding references. And the reason for his need for exacting specifics of your needs so he can go use ChatGPT as a reference finder for possible ideas that he's unable to try to confirm as working, or otherwise.

NO, I don't know why he changed his name, nor why he deleted his past posts. Perhaps because he's upgraded from ChatGPT 3 to version 3.5 and doesn't want any chance of a feedback loop messing with its "learning".

When looking at the Performance, press F2 for the "Voice" menu which will summarize all of the Parts' voice usage. Any Part you want to edit the velocity response needs to start with "USR" and not "PRE". If you see, for example, Swishie starts with PRE1:114 then you won't be able to edit the underlying voice which would be required. It would need to be more like USR1:114. Then you would edit the user voice and STORE that voice with your velocity sensitivity changes.

(114 is the numeric value for H02).

Well, I thought I could go here for help rather than being attacked. I followed the directions in my first post. I did edit the voices not the performance. the voices were USR not PRE. Sorry I do not know as much about this stuff as you do. The PRE114 question and this were different unrelated questions, which you are trying to tie together. Yes, I was trying to make a USR organ velocity sensitive.

I have a Motif XF and not a MOXF. Other than the menu particulars - most everything will transfer.

I edited the Swishie Voice and went to elements 1-4 changing the Level Velocity Sensitivity from 0 to +32 (did this edit four times - one time for each element 1-4). Then I STORED this Voice (since USR1 H02 isn't Swishie for me I edited the Preset and stored that into USR1 D09 or some such place). The organ was velocity sensitive as a Voice.

Then I switched to Performance mode and recalled a Performance that already had splits and not too arpeggio heavy. There was a Performance with acoustic bass and piano. I went to edit the piano Part and changed the voice settings from the piano to my new USR1 D09 "Swishie" edited copy. The organ was now velocity sensitive inside the Performance.

Well, I thought I could go here for help rather than being attacked.

No one is trying to attack you. We are trying to gather more info about the actual example you are trying that you can't get to work.

Jason just posted what he did and found that for HIS example it works.

But that doesn't really help you if what you are doing is totally different.

We ask you to tell us what steps you are taking and what voice/part you are testing with because we can't see just what you are using and doing.

I followed the directions in my first post. I did edit the voices not the performance. the voices were USR not PRE.

Thanks for that additional info. That wasn't clear before.

Yes, I was trying to make a USR organ velocity sensitive.

Can you post the values you are using? I mentioned before that the steps you first posted are the correct steps to use.

Again, for many problems it can be much easier to find the cause if you use the simplest possible example. In this case that would be using just one part - the organ part you want to use.

And if you are starting with a preset organ part then telling us which performance and part you are using will allow us to try to reproduce your EXACT setup rather than one of our own that might be different in some significant way.

Just keep working with us and we will likely find your problem.

This article was written by Bad Mister for the Montage but the info it contains applies to your MOXF as well.

The examples in it also use the Ens Mix performance so it should be fairly easy to follow the example steps you tried with those in the article
https://www.yamahasynth.com/learn/montage/montage-velocity-sensitivity

@Mike....

Yamaha is not attacking you. Some weirdo calling himself "Andrew" is being flippant and rude to you. A few of us believe it's the same guy who previously called himself "Bill"... who did exactly the same kind of thing for nearly 2 years on here.

Looking back through "Andrews" replies, there is actually no helpful content... it is all referrals to other posters. Also there is clearly no logic or understanding in the replies.... the verbal comprehension in the answers make no sense. Yet they are written as if they are penned by an "Authority on the Subject". They are not.

The best regular (not Yamaha) guy around here for detail is Jason. Bad Mister is also a guru, but I understand, recently retired, ex-Yamaha, who helps from time to time now.

Reading through all the posts above I have an educated guess....

This is a FAIR GUESS, and intended to help....

GUESS: You cannot increase the Volume Level of the Part/Voice in question because it is already at Maximum Volume. Not only that, the Volumes of the other Parts in the Performance are also at Maximum Volume.

Therefore any attempts to increase the Volume, relative to the other Parts will not work (you cannot increase beyond Maximum, no matter what you try, Velocity, Foot Pedal, Mod Wheel etc. ).

I suggest that you decrease the Volume of All Parts/Voices to around 66% of what they are now.

Now if you add Velocity to Modulate Volume you should hear a difference.

I have never owned a Motif/MOXF, so I do not know the mechanics.

I will say this... traditional Velocity settings on many Synths is counter intuitive. It would be easy to think that Harder Velocity will make the Volume go higher. In actuality, the current set Volume is the Maximum achievable (with key struck at Velocity = 100%).
The Velocity Parameter is in fact setting how much "quieter" Low Velocities will sound. Usually.

I think it is the case on Yamaha Synths also... I am not sure... so you will need to verify on your own.

I have a MODX. As a reference from the MODX, Element Parameter "Level/Vel" is the parameter you need to set to modulate Volume with Velocity. To be clear, you need to set it Per Element, not Per Part.

The Part Parameters "Velocity Offset" and "Velocity Depth" only change Keyboard Sensitivity. They can help, but they are more ergonomic controls and less traditional "Synth" controls. They are not "Modulators".