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Its working but not sure why it is listed as USB pairs instead of MAIN L&R out as a ASIO driver. (VCV RACK) It also takes a long time to turn on when selecting it (like 1 minute).

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Posted : 14/10/2019 11:49 pm
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What ASIO Driver are you talking about?

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 12:49 am
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What you are seeing are selections to change the connections on the front panel of that module.

Your current selection, (1-8 in, 1-6 out) assigns inputs (from the Montage, to VCV rack) 1-8 to the 8 (black colored) ports at the bottom of the module and it assigns the 6 output channels (from VCV Rack, to Montage) to the first 6 of the 8 (white colored) ports in the center of the module. You'll notice that the last two white output ports, 7&8, will not light green as they go nowhere.

Changing the selection to (9-16 in) will change the 8 black ports at the bottom of the module to input channels 9 through 16.

Outputs and Inputs 1&2 are Main L&R.
Outputs 3&4 are System L&R (the Montage's USB input), and Outputs 5&6 are Assignable Out L&R.

If you want access to more of your Montage's ports at once, use VCV's "Audio 16" module instead of "Audio 8". Unfortunately they don't presently have an "Audio 32" to grant access to all of the inputs from Montage simultaneously, and last I checked VCV Rack will crash if you try to load an ASIO driver into two Audio modules at the same time.

I believe that the delay when connecting VCV to ASIO is par for the course.

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 12:57 am
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BM just to clarify this is the most recent Yamaha Steinberg USB Driver V1.10.4 for Windows 10/8.1/7.

In all other Daws the ASIO option is MONTAGE 1, MONTAGE 2, or MONTAGE 3 with the option for MAIN L&R Out. But in VCV it only displays the options mentioned above as USB pairs. Its strange because you dont even need to manually assign the parts to those USB pairs within the Montage for it to work in VCV. If I select Wasapi driver options it is the familiar Montage Main L&R Out. But Asio is strange and the delay time to engage it it troubling almost like the whole system is struggling/refusing to select it at first - It feels like the whole program is going to crash and close but then the selection takes and it works.

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 11:45 am
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In all other Daws ...

Forgive me for being slow here, but what DAW are you using?

ASIO = Audio Streaming Input Output
Where are you attempting to send the MONTAGE Audio?

Asio is strange and the delay time to engage it it troubling almost like the whole system is struggling/refusing to select it at first - It feels like the whole program is going to crash and close but then the selection takes and it works.

From the VCV.com website... seems to explain it all...
VCV is only responsible for VCV plugins and does not completely review all third-party plugins on this list. VCV does not provide support for third-party plugins. Like VST/AU plugins, installing plugins from unknown sources may compromise your computer and personal information. VCV is not responsible for plugins that may damage your computer or invade your privacy.

(Reassuring)!

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 12:11 pm
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Its ok. VCV rack (modular eurorack stuff) is the DAW. it has its own module called VCV Audio and from there you can select your audio interface like you would in any other DAW settings. Like I mentioned before VCV Rack handled the selection of the Steinberg USB Audio driver for Montage differently than other DAWS. Probably something the developer needs to look at. Next year this will be a VST plugin to put in another DAW so the problem will likely resolve itself should I go that route.

The Audio module lets you not only send out audio through the montage but also from teh Montage into VCV rack. It is cool because i can use the Montage sounds but all the crazy modular routing I can imagine - plus the Montage modulation and superknob and so forth - crazy stuff.

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 2:31 pm
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Be sure to check out the MIDI modules too, they're quite extensive. You can use the "CV-CC" module to modulate parameters on the Montage via MIDI CC. Or use either "MIDI-CC" or "MIDI MAP" to assign the superknob to an endless array of knobs and CV inputs in VCV. Or use "CV-MIDI" in combination with a module like Audible Instruments' "Marbles" or Stellare Modular's "Turing Machine" to sequence the Montage aleatorically. Just scratching the surface...

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 3:42 pm
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VCV is only responsible for VCV plugins and does not completely review all third-party plugins on this list. VCV does not provide support for third-party plugins. Like VST/AU plugins, installing plugins from unknown sources may compromise your computer and personal information. VCV is not responsible for plugins that may damage your computer or invade your privacy.

This is the trade-off for having an open source system. Anyone can write software for VCV, so from a practical standpoint it's impossible for them to guarantee the integrity of any arbitrary bit of 3rd party software.

For what it's worth, I'd be extremely excited if Yamaha became more like the VCV Rack developers in this regard. Personally, I would gladly exchange the complete assurance of stability and security for the freedom to install my own software onto the Montage. This is one reason why I generally prefer Android to iOS. For me, seeing this message from Yamaha would be a monumental development:

Yamaha is only responsible for Yamaha software and does not completely review all third-party software on this list. Yamaha does not provide support for third-party plugins. Like VST/AU plugins, installing software from unknown sources may compromise your computer and personal information. VCV is not responsible for plugins that may damage your Montage or invade your privacy.

From my perspective, all such statements ought to be taken as given when using computers of any sort (desktop, mobile, or embedded in a synthesizer).

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 4:03 pm
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Many DAWs do not reveal the names of the Ports, they simply use numbers... so they might see the MONTAGE as USB inputs 1-32.
Those DAWs that do read the Port names will see these as Main L&R, and then 1-30

Seems Lex has a handle on this. The 6 audio buses going back to the MONTAGE would be Main L&R, Digital L&R, and Asgn L&R
The Main L&R sends returning audio directly to the MONTAGE’s Main L&R Outputs
The next two send to Digital In (arriving in the internal MONTAGE mixer)
The final two send the returning audio to the MONTAGE’s Assignable Outputs

It would be interesting to hear some interaction between these two things....

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 4:17 pm
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Thanks. I will work with this info. Yes its cool

 
Posted : 15/10/2019 4:52 pm
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It would be interesting to hear some interaction between these two things....

I don't have a Montage myself, but this is what things sounded like when I decided to sequence 15 individual single-Part Pianos on my Motif XS with 10 separate copies of Marbles, which is a "random sampling" sequencer, then ran the sound of those Pianos back into VCV and through Clouds, which is a granular "texture synthesizer", before finally also modulating Clouds with its own unit of Marbles. On the XS, each successive piano had slightly more chorus, more reverb, wider panning, and a lower filter cutoff frequency than the one before it, and the chorus and reverb levels are also all separately modulated by 7 more instances of Marbles.

Before I knew it, I had summoned the spirit of Brian Eno.

Using the same patch in VCV Rack but instead loading up a Mix with 15 samples of sound effects from a Super Nintendo game in the XS yields some rather striking ambience for a horror game or movie.

I've attached the VCV patch file below, for anyone who would like to play with it. After loading the patch, you will have to set each module to output to your Montage or other Mo* synth.

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Posted : 15/10/2019 4:58 pm
Lex
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If you want access to more of your Montage's ports at once, use VCV's "Audio 16" module instead of "Audio 8". Unfortunately they don't presently have an "Audio 32" to grant access to all of the inputs from Montage simultaneously, and last I checked VCV Rack will crash if you try to load an ASIO driver into two Audio modules at the same time.

Just wanted to share an update on this here: a third party developer (Stoermelder) has released an "Audio 64" module with 32 pairs of inputs and outputs! It's now possible to simultaneously use all 30 of the Montage's USB outputs in VCV Rack, as well as the main L&R pair.

This can be obtained for free from the VCV Plugin Library as part of "PackOne" by Benjamin Dill.

This collection also has other great utility modules worth a look, such as Strip, 8Face, and CV-Map.

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