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  1. John
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  4. Saturday, 20 February 2021
I've attached a photo showing my current setup with the speakers indicated. Whilst I know this setup is far from ideal, it does a job for me and I mostly listen via headphones anyway.

But, I would like to replace the current speakers (Castle Avon floorstanding hifi speakers coupled with an old Denon AV amp) with some decent ones.

I've been looking at the Yamaha HS7 and HS8 speakers and am wondering how they might work in my current setup?

Yes I know I'm sat very near the right hand speaker and the left one is over in the other corner. I also realise that putting speakers in corners might not be ideal, but it's the only option I have at the moment and for the forseeable.

If I did purchase a pair of yamaha speakers, can you get stands for them so they can be lifted higher than desk level?

It should be noted that I'm a hobbbyist and not looking for mixing perfection etc :)


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Excellent reply BM, many thanks for the reply :)
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HS8 First Setup.jpg

OK I've got a pair of HS8 monitors and trying them out in this position to start with. (I've taken the photo from a different angle this time)

When I first powered them on I had a constant hiss and thought something was wrong but then I messed with my mixer and it was the fact that the RX RTN was at maximum. As soon as I turned that down the hiss disappeared. I don't know if that is expected or not to be honest! I haven't got the XLR cables yet, I am getting them at the weekend so using the other connectors in the meantime.

Anyway, had a first little play to make sure they are working OK and they sound great. Finally the pianos sound more like pianos should do through the speakers. Before I got these, the pianos sounded decent through my headphones but through the hifi speakers they didn't sound like I thought they should.

I'm not sure if I'm going to keep them on top of the old speakers or if I will buy proper stands, I'll have to see how things go and then decide.

Anyway that's me happy now - it's my treat to myself for my 60th Birthday on the 22nd of this month - I'm trying to pretend it's not happening ;)
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Happy Birthday!. You should always have your speakers at ear level (tweeters at ear height is optimum or aimed there). The first rule of audio is aim the speakers at the ears.
If you cannot see the tweeter you can’t really hear the tweeter, is the rule of thumb.

They make sound, of course, but the importance of speaker placement cannot be stressed enough.

One of the lessons I used when I was teaching audio engineering was getting the students to understand how sound travels. The lesson would begin with the statement of fact: a Speaker is the opposite of a Microphone.

One takes air molecules in motion and turns them into electrons, the other takes electrons and turns them into air molecules in motion.
They are both Transducers (devices that convert energy).

Both have (invisible to the eye) pick-up patterns — areas where what they do is optimized. To experience this, the class surrounded a speaker in the center of the Studio room. And as they moved around it they were asked to observe the change in the quality of the sound based on their position to the speaker.

And then with every one in the Control room we would have a person walk in a circle around an active microphone out in the Studio... again the observation was immediately clear. You began to visualize where the microphone was best receiving sound. Of course, with microphones we delved into those with multiple settings for pickup patterns, etc.

But sound travels (invisibly) in predictable ways. If your tweeters are not aimed at your ears, while you are attempting to EQ a sound, then you will increase the high frequency content until you have compensated for the poor placement.

Try to avoid music aimed at your shins. Once you observe this difference you will not forget. Turn your speaker around. Listen to a song you know well... as soon as the speaker is off axis the sound is degraded severely! Remember: critical listening is when you want what you decide on as sounding good, will actually sound good when played back on a proper system.

Have a Happy Birthday! Enjoy!
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Yupiiii...I see some explanations are due/being offered when a birthday is approaching...

Well, I am not revealing mine for the time being, but since I am about to leave the sunny side of the sixties, I wish I could attend once more BM good teaching, this time on speakers and phase, please.

Then, I might become a very happy and proud owner off HEDD's new Mk2 speakers and subwoofers... enjoying its technology to match phases.
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Thanks everyone for your help, kind words and comments on this thread. I'm a happy HS8 owner and quite pleased that my broken hifi speaker forced me to buy them :)

I've worked out what was causing the hissing noise... I thought it was the FX at fault but it was a combination of that being turned all the way up plus the first 3 inputs had their Gain turned all the way up - I didn't even notice this until I played my Moog through the speakers last night and even at minimum volume on the Moog it was too loud. Once I turned the gains all the way down, I could then turn the FX up without hissing :)

When I finally get a visitor, I will ask them to help me straighten up the foam isolation pads that sit between the new speakers and the old ones. I can't lift the HS8 and reposition the foam by myself, but for the time being they're OK.

I do now have my eyes on a 4 tier synth stand and if I get that I will be able to bring my MOXF and Minilogue back into the synth corner. Yes I admit, I'm a synth adict, I need help ;)
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I don't think you are a synth addict...

No, no.

Definitely no.

It is simply the trail we people leave behind as time passes by.

Those keyboards, side by side, simply voice the love you think they deserve, not leaving them behind as they age, recalling those passed good old times.

El tiempo que va pasando, como la vida, no vuelve más.
https://youtu.be/UmBUqwxUvWM

Now, I have been watching your collection very carefully and I see there is no Roland Fantom around.
You think adding a Fantom will then confirm your addiction...?
Sure not, go back and read from the second line, please.

And if once Fantom is added (hurry, May 22nd is round the corner) you think you better keep only just both, Montage and Fantom, while removing the rest, it will surely be a complete step further in my opinion confirming you as not being a synth addict at all !!!!

PD: this is all based on the scientific assumption that you do play what you buy.
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Indeed I do play all my synths and can’t bare to part with any of them to be honest. I try to play the ones in synth corner at least once a week but the MOXF and Minilogue have been upstairs and unused for some months now, which is why I want to bring them back to join the other boys!!

I did look at the fantom when it came out, but even the 61 key version was too long to fit into my corner. Now that I’ve moved things around though, I could accommodate longer synths :)
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Think about bringing them alive regardless of the corner they are placed in by simply using state of the art technoly. No need to reach the keyboard, just turn them on and play from your Montage.

My old and barely used Yamahan CVP-96 is now giving me as many as 16 voices thanks to CME WIDI Master. It seems it can manage 5 MIDI devices simultaneously, so to speak: they call it 5 nodes (1+4 or 4+1) !!!!

Bought a pair of the bundle to connect a Fantom 8 and the CVP-96 and it is certainly outstanding !!!!
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Come gather around people, please, and let's sing Happy Birthday to John.

Happy Birthday, John !!!!

Just made a little version of the song for you, showing, depicting, the World going on and around not exactly matching our own tempo as we celebrate our birthdays and, ultimately, that last missing beat...

How are you doing with that Montage, the new HS8s and all the rest...?

Everything already set as you planned, got that 4 tier synth stand ?
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LOL many thanks :)

I decided against a 4 tier stand in the end and got another 2 tier stand. The 4 tier one would have been too much I think for that corner.

I've rearranged things a bit since getting the new stand and I'm using a small table for the Minilogue which is just visible in the bottom left corner of the photo.

I have a few cables I need to tidy up and the speakers need a few small positioning adjustments when I'm able to get someone in to help me :)


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Looks very nice...
Your are truly surrounded by second to none keyboards.
Hope I can hear some of your music anytime...
Enjoy...
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Happy birthday, John!

Excellent choices!!!
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Many thanks Andrew :)
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