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  1. Rik
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
  3. Tuesday, 12 May 2020
Hi Guys please help me:

The ideal situation I would like to achieve is that I can send a program change (on an I-pad with Setlistmaker) via a midi true box to the live-set of the Modx as well to a Roland D-05. once the performance in the live-set is selected it should be possible that that performance can play/control a sound of the Roland soundmodule as well from the Modx ( in layered or split situation).

If I use Midi i/o "Multi" I can assign a Midi TX channel but than it is impossible to send a program change from the I-pad to the MODX. I tried also ( not using live-set ) to send the program change directly to the Performance by using the MSB /LSB pc, given by the property of that performance but that also didn't work out.

What I noticed is that when the Modx is in Midi i/o mode "Single" the right performances in the live-set can be send e.g. (MSB 62.LSB 00, PC02). Only in this situation I can not control/play the Roland module because I can't assign a TX-midi channel to a part of that performance.

Do you know the solution for my problem? thank you in advance.
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Ok Scott,
The last section you describe is exactly what I already did. And I agree that it works.
But copying a part of a performance into another already existent, sounds very bad. I mean, I have a starting performance with Rhodes in part #1 and then I copy an organ performance to part #16. I instruct the Kurzweil to use channel 16 and it works. But in this way I miss all the effects of the original organ performance because by default this multi performance uses the effects of Rhodes. This makes the organ sound horrible, compared to its own performance. I can tweak the single organ part #16 on page effects to reduce the Rhodes effect and improve the sound, but there is no way to have the original organ effects together to the Rhodes effects. It's just another organ sound, much worst. This of course is the same behaviour for all orher sounds combined in this way. I am focused now on organs but I tried others also, same result more or less.
This is the only reason why I thought to use different performances at the same time.
Any idea about?
Thanks again!
  1. more than a month ago
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
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Each Part has its own pair of dedicated insert effects, for up to 12 Parts at a time. The organ should sound the same when you move it into the Performance with your Rhodes as it did when it was Part 3 of some other performance, provided that you're not exceeding 12 Parts. If you have more Parts than that, then you would need to disable the effects on the Parts where they are less crucial, so that you have the insert effects enabled on only the 12 most effect-dependent Parts. (This is one of the limits that increases on the Montage.) One other possibility is that there can also be Master/System effects and EQ that may be applied to the sounds as they exist in a particular multi-sound combination, which could disappear if a Part is copied into a different multi-sound performance with different "global" settings of this type. But yes, you will have to consider how effects will change as you move sounds among different Performances, especially if your Performances have more than 12 Parts. There's no way around that. You just have to look at these Performances you create (where you want them to include sound to be triggered by each of your boards) and consider, do you really need them to have more than 12 Parts? And if you do, can you afford to lose the effects on some of the Parts? But you can pick and choose which ones.

And again, other boards are the same. On virtually every multi-timbral board, you have a limit of no more than 16 available sounds at a time, and you have some fixed number of total effects. Different brands implement the trade-offs differently. Roland FA, Fantom, and Integra let you put effects on all 16 Parts simultaneously... but in most cases, limit you to one insert effect per sound (compared to two per sound on the MODX). At the other extreme, Kurzweil lets you put all its effects resources on just a single sound if you want to... but if you do that, you'll no longer have any effects available for a second sound. Each approach has its limitations and benefits, and can involve some strategizing.
  1. more than a month ago
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
  3. # 2
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I just have two parts, one is the starting performance with Rhodes on part #1, the other is organ (8.8.8.8... something) in part #16. It is not copied from another multi performance, it is just copied from its own performance and it is made by just one part. But two parts only, at least these kind of parts, makes the organ sound horrible. I will try to find another Rhodes as starting to see if I have better result, or swap the starting performance to organ first and then adding a Rhodes, tweaking EQ and other settings, like you suggested, to adjust what is adjustable...
Thanks for your great help.
  1. more than a month ago
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
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Bad Mister
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Just FYI: There is a limitation you maybe running into. On the MODX only 12 of the 16 Part slots can have their Dual Insertion Effect blocks active, simultaneously. I’ll have to check, but most likely they are set to be active initially on the first twelve Parts, 1-12. (Seems logical to do 1-12)

You can only have 12 Parts with their Insertion Effects simultaneously. If the organ sounds very different from it does in its HOME location, you may want to ensure that the item in Part 16 has its 2 insertion effects active.

FYI. You do not have to use slot number 16, you can transmit OUT to the external synth from any slot, using any MIDI Channel.

If you give us the (exact) names of the sounds, perhaps we can be more helpful…
  1. more than a month ago
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
  3. # 4
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Just FYI: There is a limitation you maybe running into. On the MODX only 12 of the 16 Part slots can have their Dual Insertion Effect blocks active, simultaneously. I’ll have to check, but most likely they are set to be active initially on the first twelve Parts, 1-12. (Seems logical to do 1-12)

You can only have 12 Parts with their Insertion Effects simultaneously. If the organ sounds very different from it does in its HOME location, you may want to ensure that the item in Part 16 has its 2 insertion effects active.

FYI. You do not have to use slot number 16, you can transmit OUT to the external synth from any slot, using any MIDI Channel.

If you give us the (exact) names of the sounds, perhaps we can be more helpful…

Hi Mister.
Yes, the insertion A and B are active.
I'm now trying to swap the main sound with organ and things about organ are ok of course. But the other sound, in my case a Rhodes, has the same issue; anyway it's ok for my purpose, just tweaking a bit the EQ and it sounds accettable.
Also, try with same organ as starting performance and add the "CFX Stage" piano: this sounds awful.
About original organ problem, if you would like to experiment, try to edit performance "Singleline 2" and insert organ "8.8.8.8.6.2.2.0.0 2", as part 3 or where you prefer, and try to hear the difference. In the original performance there is a distortion in the main effect page that has been lost here. But also the sound is dark, too many mid frequencies maybe, it's so different...

I use part 16 just as mnemonics, but I tried the other free slots also, no difference.
Thanks a lot!
  1. more than a month ago
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