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Piano sound editing

  1. David
    David
  3. MOXF Series Music Production Synthesizers
  4. Saturday, 17 November 2018
Okay, so I know there is no such thing as a perfect piano and that taste varies a lot between people. Here's my experience so far, so if you're up for it, let's see if we can share experiences w r t how to make the MOXF have a piano sound that sounds even better than the presets.

Prerequisites - I installed the "Ultimate piano" collection (free from Yamaha) so I could try out a few more pianos. I have not bought a 3rd party piano sound (yet).

Here's the first thing to note: EQ. The three band EQ on the knobs is not what you want to check out - most piano patches have a 5-band EQ on insertion effect A and is usually tweaked to what Yamaha thinks sounds best. Here's where you want to fiddle, rather than the Low/Mid/MidF/High knobs you have available first.

Second thing to note: Reverb. All of the "Ultimate piano" sounds (I think) come with no reverb preset at all (!), so if you want to have reverb, enabling system effects is not enough, you have to edit the sound to add a reverb.

So far, the standard grand piano "Full Concert Grand" is the piano sound I like the best. At soft velocities it sounds really great, nothing to complain about. However, at higher velocities I experience a "ringing" in the attack of (at least) notes B, C, C# (where C is middle C). The ringing suddenly disappears at D and then comes back at F, F# and G (again, just above middle C). I've tried to identify it and I believe the ringing is somewhere around 7 - 8 kHz. I've tried to edit it away but so far I failed. I could turn the EQ down, but then I would have to do it so much that it hurts the rest of the notes and the richness of the entire sound.

Ideally, I would want it a little brighter as well - i e, something between the "XF brite piano" and the Full concert grand, but without the ringing described above. I've used the 5-band EQ to brighten the "Full concert grand" a bit, but unfortunately that increases the ringing as well.
I've also tried Edit -> Element 4 and 6 -> Filter -> Scale to turn the cutoff frequency down for those notes, combined with changing from LPF18 to LPF24 it does seem to help a bit.
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As for the other ones:

S6 - didn't like the "woody" feel of it. Might be great if you want that particular sound but it's just not the all-rounder piano I'm looking for.

CP1 - so this one is okay, but not as rich as the "Full concert grand" and in particular it seems to suffer from too fast decay, it just dies out too quickly. Listen to the volume of the sound five seconds after pressing the key; even if the attack/transient is just as strong as on the Full Concert Grand, the sound five seconds later is just too soft for me to get a realistic piano feel.

Motif Powergrand - same as CP1, not as rich and dies out too quickly. For the attack this is the best one - if I could, I would take the attack/transient of this piano and the rest of the sound from the Full concert grand. I could find this useful in a band scenario (maybe pop music) where the rhythm is what matters and the body just drowns below other instruments, but as a solo instrument the "full concert grand" just sounds much better.

The one from Motif ES has nothing the Motif powergrand does not have, and the S700 is a bit too woody as well.

So that's where I'm currently at, trying to make the most out of my MOXF instrument. To sum up, I have two questions:

1) Is there a way to get rid of the ringing of the Full concert grand without hurting the rest of the sound?

2) (which is more of the open "let's share experiences" question) What piano do you use the most, and why? Have you edited it, and if so, how and why?
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