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  1. Gabi
  2. Sherlock Holmes The Voice
  3. MONTAGE
  4. Thursday, 10 October 2019
Hi, I´m so very happy with the pattern recorder, but still...my Cubase problems just don´t end with it. First of all, when I import a song that I made with the pattern recorder with Montage Connect, all the mixer settings are way off. All the parts are panned to the left, even thow this has no effect on hearing. All the faders are down, which also has no effect. But as soon as I want to mix...all hell breaks loose. Have to center each pan by manually entering the letter C first. Have to move all the faders up or I don´t hear a thing anymore.... Then I can start mixing. Why is everything set like this...?
But that´s not the main issue. Even when doing all this, parts suddenly stop playing when I want to bounce to audio. I hear everything with the Montage Quicksetup "midi rec". Then all I do is switch to "audio rec" and instantly, a part goes mute. (my audio rec template has all the parts going out the main stereo out) I cannot figure out what is going on here. Even a simple thing like bouncing 3 midi tracks to one audio track turns into a nightmare every time. DAMN!!!!! if anyone has any clues here...I´d apreciate, thank you. (Cubase Elements 10)
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Audio Rec to DAW turns the direct monitor off - which is probably what you're struggling with.

https://www.yamahasynth.com/montage-category/cubase-setup-guide-workflow-audio-rec-on-daw

This will set the DIRECT MONITOR SWITCH to OFF. Direct Monitor determines whether or not, signal travels directly to the analog L&R outputs. When it is ON, you hear yourself playing the MONTAGE through the Main L&R (Analog Outputs) - Basically, the sound of the MONTAGE will travel its normal path to your speakers. But when recording on the computer, the default condition is to turn this Direct Monitoring OFF. What you need to take from this is the following:


... and:

Expect to hear the MONTAGE only after you have your Cubase routing complete - that is, the signal is routed to an active audio track with the Track's Monitor Switch set to ON.


... with

https://www.yamahasynth.com/images/MontageScuba/AudioRec/REC_MONI.png
In Cubase, the Track Inspector has a red Record Ready button, and a tan Monitor speaker button. In order to hear the the MONTAGE in a situation where DIRECT MONITOR is OFF, you must be connected to an active audio track with the Monitor speaker icon selected (shown).


... and there's other good stuff in there about using the template with Cubase. And the videos you've probably watched a few times already.

I don't know about the panning business and other issues you've labeled as secondary.
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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Why is everything set like this...?
Because you have things setup wrong. Not sure what particular guide or set of instructions you are following, but obvious, even to you, the way you are doing things is incorrect. If sound is only in one channel you have a routing issue. 99% of problems are routing issues.

Let’s take your setup a step at a time, hope it helps

First of all, when I import a song that I made with the pattern recorder with Montage Connect, all the mixer settings are way off.
When you use MONTAGE CONNECT to import the Song or Pattern Chain, you are importing the MIDI events recorded to the Tracks in MONTAGE.
Let’s go over this and begin to understand what exactly happens.

The MIDI events do not, repeat: do not, include the mixer or any of the mixer settings. What you have imported is only the Notes and controller data.
Let’s go over how this works... when you click on “Song Import” In MONTAGE CONNECT you are looking at the MONTAGE’s internal memory "Song" Folder
Press [UTILITY] > touch “Contents” > “Data Utility” > Touch the “Song” folder. That is what you are looking at from your computer. The Song Folder will contain the linear Pattern “Chain”, if you have created one.

You can pickup any one of those items and drop it at Measure 1 of an empty Cubase Project.
Very important: What Cubase does with this depends on your Cubase Preferences setting (shown below).

Question: What do you have Cubase set to do when you Import a MIDI File?
If you don’t know or are not sure, this would possibly explain WHY you are confused. Let’s find out how you can *know* what will happen.

In Cubase go to Preferences. If on a Mac this is found under “Cubase” on the main menu bar; if on a Windows computer this found under “Edit” on the main menu bar
“Preferences” > “MIDI” > “MIDI File”
You are concerned with the IMPORT OPTIONS settings on the bottom half of the dialog box.
Again, this has nothing to do with the mix, the mixer or any mixer settings... it is only addressing MIDI events that appear on the Tracks.
ImportMIDI.png
By setting the Import Option to “Auto Dissolve Format 0” the File will Split to separate Tracks
Click APPLY
Click OK

Now, in MONTAGE CONNECT go to "Song Import" when you drag and drop the import icon at measure 1, it will import each MIDI channel to a separate Track.
SongImport.png
Shown below I have dragged and dropped the item named NewPattern2 into the empty Project at Measure 1
Dissolved.png
It automatically creates a separate MIDI Track for each PART in NewPattern2

The mix, mixer and all the mixer settings are in the Performance in the MONTAGE.
Once the sequence data is in Cubase you want to return to the Performance HOME screen on the MONTAGE... doing so exits the Play/Rec area. You don’t want both Cubase and the Play/Rec function playing at the same time... that is one form of chaos you can cause by accident.

If you just Import the data and start Cubase, you will also start the MONTAGE Sequencer, to prevent this EXIT the MONTAGE Sequencer — you do so by returning to the [PERFORMANCE (HOME)] screen. If you have Arpeggios that are active, you can bypass the Arpeggiators by [SHIFT] + [ARP ON/OFF] flashes to indicate it is bypassed.

Now you can safely playback your recording from Cubase... the MONTAGE is now a passive receptor of the recorded MIDI data coming from Cubase. The mix and all mixer settings are stored in your MONTAGE’s internal Performance memory. You can capture that Performance with MONTAGE CONNECT by going to the RECALL tab, and clicking on the icon that points from the keyboard to the computer.

MONTAGE CONNECT will send a request to the MONTAGE which will respond by transmitting the current Performance to the computer where it is kept in the MONTAGE CONNECT application. If you set AUTO SYNC = ON whenever you open this Cubase Project, it will automatically restore the mix and all mixer settings to your MONTAGE.

When you refer to the mixer settings be way off... The mixer is in the MONTAGE... it is a real hardware mixer... if you are looking at the picture of a mixer in Cubase, you are not using that mixer as yet. Use the real hardware mixer - with physical Faders, Pan Knobs, Reverb Sends, Variation Sends, etc. to create your mix. Remember to EXIT the PATTERN function - you do so by returning to the [PERFORMANCE (HOME)] screen.

Just for understanding - when a Track in Cubase is panned Left it will have a L and a number signifying how far Left it is panned L1 being very slight, while L99 is very far left and just the letter L is hard left. Your MIDI Tracks will likely show "OFF" because you are not using that mixer as yet... Once you record an AUDIO TRACK, you'll want to control your Audio Tracks with the Cubase Mixer... Again you can set what your MIXER shows you... Since you have a real mixer - use it for MIDI Tracks... Use the Cubase Mixer as you start to accumulate Audio Tracks.

But that´s not the main issue. Even when doing all this, parts suddenly stop playing when I want to bounce to audio.
You can playback your Tracks, now in Cubase. The MIDI data will trigger the MONTAGE Tone Generator, which will generate the AUDIO which will travel via USB too Cubase.

You mention that your Audio Record "Quick Record" Template is set to send all PARTs to Main L&R stereo Outputs (Excellent)... and hopefully, you have set DIRECT MONITOR = OFF in the MONTAGE (this is so you can prevent doubling) - you will be listening (monitoring) the Audio Track in Cubase:
RecAudio.png
Above you see an Audio Track set to record the STEREO IN, documenting the MIDI data as Audio...
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Hi Bad mister, yes indeed, I did not have the midi file settings right. Never knew anything about them. I followed all your instructions. Let´s see if I still get silent parts. Hopefully not! So, is it normal that the mixer looks like the attached photo, with everything panned left and everything faded to 0? Ok...I guess I will not touch the Cubase mixer anymore and mix on the Montage.
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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That is not Left... Whatever "Aus" means - I'm quite sure it does not mean LEFT - In the English the term is "OFF"... as in not active. So it looks like it is panned left but it is not.. It is not active it is OFF. After you move as far left as you can go, the item turns itself OFF. And since you are not using that MIXER for MIDI data - again, you have a real mixer on the MONTAGE... Use that Cubase mixer for when you start creating AUDIO TRACKS> and for the Main "Einsgang/Ausgangs" which I assume is Input/Output

On the left side of the screenshot see the Checked Items (that is what gives them a channel on your Cubase mixer) - If it makes you feel better UNCHECK the MIDI items
Then when you open a STEREO AUDIO Track you can use the Mixer to control your Audio Tracks.

If you want to make a MIDI PART louder, please use the corresponding (real) Fader on the MONTAGE (not the picture of a fader in Cubase)... at this point...
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ok thank you, I will. one thing is still kind of not working right. None of my imported songs from the pattern recorder (songs created with "chain" and then converted to songs) open the right performance in Cubase. All of them open CFX+FM EP. Even when I already manually loaded the right performance before even importing the song to Cubase, as soon as I import it, the MOnateg goes to CFX paino. Since the performance is linked to the pattern, this is strange. Maybe it´s only linked to the pattern but not to the song?
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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The link between Pattern & Performance is made when the Pattern’s MIDI data is in the MONTAGE — so that when you recall the Pattern data it recalls the Performance linked to that data.
The link between Song & Performance is made when the Song’s MIDI data is in the MONTAGE — so that when you recall the Song data it recalls the Performance linked to that data.

Now that you have moved the MIDI data to Cubase, YOU are going to establish the link between the Cubase Project and the MONTAGE Performance... you do so by:
1) recalling the Performance in the MONTAGE
2) CLICK on the MONTAGE CONNECT *Recall* icon where the keyboard is pointing to the computer.
3) you will see the name of the Performance appear on the top line of MONTAGE CONNECT as the Performance settings are brought over.

YOU have now established a link between the Cubase Project and the MONTAGE Performance. Now when you LOAD the Cubase Project File (.CPR) it will automatically restore your Performance whenever you open the file.

Either read the entire thread again, and this time don’t miss a step... this was all explained.
You only imported the MIDI data, the MIDI data does NOT, again repeat DOES NOT contain the Mix, the Mixer or any of the MONTAGE Performance settings... only the MIDI data on the Track.

Manually recall the Performance, use MONTAGE CONNECT (RECALL) to capture the Performance which includes the MIX, the Mixer and all the Performance settings. Once you do that, (and you turn Auto Sync = On) everytime you open the Cubase Project, it will automatically recall the Performance.

Try again.
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great, thank you, I hope Cubase will stop driving me crazy now :D
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