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  3. MONTAGE Series Synthesizers
  4. Thursday, 31 May 2018
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All I get is a 404. Please provide an alternate link
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The internal website structure keeps changing which is invalidating links within the message board on a routine basis. Expect this to settle down in 4-6 months until the next wave.

In the meantime, you may be able to use a cached entry.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ebHPm-zKRq0J:https://yamahasynth.com/resources/montage-midi-zone-master-faq+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-ab

This one also got lost in the shuffle:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZsTl8AKLgLIJ:https://www.yamahasynth.com/resources/montage-midi-zone-master-and-i-o-modes+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-ab

Don't click on these links - the URL parser on this bulletin board doesn't know how to deal with certain valid links. You need to copy-and-paste these above links into your browser.

Here's a PDF of the caches:

Montage MIDI Zone Master FAQ:
http://docdro.id/WCQ6P03

Montage MIDI Zone Master And I/O Modes:
http://docdro.id/vQ3hAp2
  1. more than a month ago
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A doubt...

The Note Limit controls on the Part Settings> Zone Settings page should not only affect the external device? Why does it affect the internal sound of Montage since we have this same dedicated function in Page Part Settings> General?
  1. more than a month ago
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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The NOTE LIMIT found in the Zone Master Settings is a Transmit function of the Keyboard.
The NOTE LIMIT found in the Part Settings is a Receive function of the internal Tone Generator.

These are not the same.

If you are using a Zone Slot to transmit both internally and externally, if you don't want the internal MONTAGE Part to sound in the left hand you can use the Part Note Limits to prevent the internal Part from playing (sounding), while the Zone Note Limits could play the external synth across all keys.
  1. more than a month ago
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What I've tried to do:

Part 1> CFX PopStudioGrand

Part Settings> General> Note Limit> "C-2 | F # 3"
Part Settings> Zone Settings> Zone = ON> Note Limit = "G3 | G8"

Expected result: Split> Piano + External Device
Real Result: Split> Piano - NO SOUND! + External Device - OK!
  1. more than a month ago
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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That sounds absolutely correct for the settings you've made.
Your Part Settings set the "CFX PopStudioGrand" to receive from C-2 to F#3
Your Zone Settings are going to determine what the Keyboard transmits... attempting to use one Part slot to create a split can be done but will require you set the corresponding Note Limit settings in your external device (not an optimal workflow). You need the Keyboard to transmit to all participants. By setting the Keyboard to only transmit above G3 means you don't have a way to trigger the Piano.

We are not clear what, exactly you want to accomplish. But we'll take a guess you want to create a split including an internal and an external sound.
The "best way", as the article points out, is to use a Part slot for each device you wish to control. This means you should use two MONTAGE Part slots, one to trigger the internal MONTAGE sound and a second exclusively to control the external device.
The first Part should be set to Zone Switch = ON, Int Sw = ON, Transmit Ch = OFF
The second Part slot should have a "dummy" internal Part assigned. Here's how:
From the Home screen

Press the "+" to Add Part 2
Touch "Init"
Touch "Init Normal AWM2" this dummy Part will be shut Off, so we can use the slot, exclusively, for the external synth setup.
Set Zone Switch = On
Set the "Int Sw" = OFF
Set the Transmit Channel = whatever necessary to trigger your external device.


If you are experimenting with using a single Part slot to control both internal and external (in spite of the warnings it affords you less than optimum control)... remember the Zone Note Limits is your MIDI CONTROLLER KEYBOARD. Using one slot means that you are going to have to set the NOTE LIMITS in the Receiving devices... because your Keys need to be active on both sides of the split!

If it makes it clearer, think of the Keyboard as a separate device. Back in the day a "KX88" (makes no sound, just a controller) if you are transmitting to two different devices on the same MIDI CHANNEL, then you would set the split points (Note Limits) in the tone generators... not the keyboard.

This is that same situation.
Hope that helps.
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I'm also not quite sure what you're wanting to do. I just setup an experiment. The two note ranges are not always completely independent from each other. It seems for the tone generator to sound - the Zone note range must overlap all notes you expect the tone generator to sound.

I setup a range of C3 to C4 for my zone note limit and E3 to G3 as my tone generator limit. This was using a single PART of a single-PART Performance (CFX PopStudioGrand) and nothing else added. The zone setting was set to transmit on MIDI Channel 1.

What I saw was playing between C3 and D#3 (outside of the limit for the tone generator) - I saw MIDI activity with a MIDI monitor. Therefore, the zone (MIDI transmit) limit ignores the tone generator limit. Between E3 and G3 was the only range I heard tone generator sounding.

When the zone note limit includes all the notes of the tone generator note limits, both ranges do what is expected.

Then I made the zone note limits non-overlapping with the tone generator ones. I set the zone note limits C2 - B2 (kept tone generator limits at E3 to G3). Here, I saw the MIDI activity between C2 and B2. However, the tone generator did not sound between E3 and G3. When I increased the upper limit of the zone limit (B2) to E3 (the first note of the tone generator limit) - I could get the E3 to sound but no others. As I increased the zone limit upwards by one note - I could get that additional note to sound (tone generator). This was without moving the tone generator note limits. The zone note limits seem to "mask" the tone generator limits -- but not the other way around.

This is probably all by design and not really a problem. My understanding given the experiments is as such:

Zone (MIDI Transmit) note limits affects the transmit of noteon/noteoff information both to the tone generator and external devices.
Tone Generator note limits affects only the range that the tone generator sounds given the MIDI transmit (above) has not limited the range. Tone Generator note limits has no affect on Zone (MIDI transmit) - but the reverse is not true.
  1. more than a month ago
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What I would like to do is simple.

Split Sound: Piano + Synth in a single Montage slot.

I know if I use a second slot I'll get that result. This is fairly simple to understand, however, I "miss" a slot with the Montage's internal sounds. And for me, in some cases this is bad.

In my opinion, when we enter the Zone Settings page, what I understand immediately is that all the settings on this page affect only the External Device, but this is not true. Note Limit, OctaveShift, and Transpose affect the internal sound. This is a bit confusing.

But it's alright! Let's move on ...

Many thanks for the clarifications. Bad Mister and Jason
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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In my opinion, when we enter the Zone Settings page, what I understand immediately is that all the settings on this page affect only the External Device, but this is not true.
The INT SW should be your hint that the Keyboard (there is only one) is transmitting both internally (when INT SW is set On) and externally (when a "Transmit Ch" is selected). The Transmit Ch determines what is affected externally. The Part assignment determines what is affected internally.

Again, for optimal control each device should have its own set of Part Settings.
  1. more than a month ago
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  3. # 10
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Yes Bad Mister! I will do this, 1 slot dedicated to the External Device.

I was already working this way. But I was using slots from 9 to 16, to keep the 8 start slots dedicated exclusively to Montage sounds. But with that I lose the SSS function. So I tried to solve it differently.

It may seem like an exaggeration to want to have 8 parts available for a performance, but the way I work with Montage is not.

I configure whenever possible a performance per song. And I use the scene buttons to change the sounds, which I organize by parts, type: Intro, Verse, Bridge, Chorus, etc ...

Thank you again for always being available to help us. This help has been fundamental to understand how everything was conceived in the Montage and with that we have the conditions to look for the expected results.

I feel more and more intimate with my Montage! :)
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