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  4. Thursday, 07 September 2017
Version 1.60 Firmware now available.
See introduction here

Go to your regional Yamaha MONTAGE Product Page and select "Downloads" to see available items. Highly recommended you create a full BACKUP (.X7A) before you install the Updater, so that you have everything stored.

You should assume that: "All User data (Libraries, User Performances, Song and so on) will be initialized by this updater. Please make sure that you have saved all User data to a USB flash drive before performing this update."

Fixes and Enhancements
< V1.51 to V1.60 >
New features;
- New effect types have been added.
- New Performances have been added.
- New functions have been added in some displays for simplifying Super Knob settings.
- Improved the Keyboard Velocity Curve on MONTAGE6/MONTAGE7.


http://www.easysounds.eu/MusicProductionGuide_2017_06_EN.pdf
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Readme adds:

Fixed problems;
- Fixed a problem in which playback would continue without stopping if you switched a Performance with received Sustain messages from external equipment in the MIDI single channel mode.
- Fixed other minor problems.


The new effect(s) are all variants of something called a "spiralizer" (phaser and flanger variants with tempo sync or not).


Unique filter applying Phaser (for Spiralizer P)/ Flanger (for Spiralizer F) processing with seemingly endless up/down pitch change.


New Performances:


FM Sync
Hybrid Sync
Spiral Feedbacker
Spirals
Creeping Voltage
Iceworld
FM Spiral Dist
Santur-A-Delic


... focus on demonstrating new effects.

New shortcuts and improvement on source/destination display should help speed programming and "seeing" how the common level connects to final destinations.
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Hi All this new firmware is really disappointing
after all this time, we really did expect something more ;( ;( ;(
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Warning!! The new update clears everything. Before updating make all backup ... samples, performance, everything ....
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now can we load the library "inpiration in a flash" for motif xf in the montage?
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rene wrote:

now can we load the library "inpiration in a flash" for motif xf in the montage?

The readme does not mention any change in that. And I loaded the parts which can be loaded a long time ago without problems. But actually many of them are already in the default firmware of the Montage, I think.
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Auriak wrote:

Hi All this new firmware is really disappointing
after all this time, we really did expect something more ;( ;( ;(
Hi, please speak for yourself ;) I am actually quite happy that there was a firmware update after all. I am not particularly interested in the new effect (that's more for sound effects it seems). But the extensions with the control assign screen and the super knob make figuring super knob assignments out much easier!

And the update fixed a bug which was really quite annoying for me and which I reported a while ago (from the readme: "Fixed a problem in which playback would continue without stopping if you switched a Performance with received Sustain messages from external equipment in the MIDI single channel mode.";) I was so happy to see that message and tested again and it fixed with issue for me (thanks @bad mister).

Of course I strongly hope that Yamaha keeps the updates coming! My hope is that there is some bigger 2.0 update in the making and this was some smaller in between thing ;). But every little update is welcome to me.
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Hi there,

Can anyone confirm if this new update is causing them unusual midi behavior as well. I am recording multiple midi notes when using the Montage to input note data.

I have noticed this behavior on an East West VST that worked fine (as recent as last night) before the update.

Right now each time I input single note data (i.e. press a key) via the Montage , five midi notes are recorded to the DAW - overl-ayed on top of one another.

I usually have the Montage channel set to 1 (instead of ANY) as that allows for 'chord pads' use in Cubase . I am not sure why it works but it does for my needs so I've stuck with it.

The midi protocol on the Montage is behaving unusually since the update and 'Chordpads' is not working again can anyone recommend a work around / fix ?

p.s I am Cubase 9 pro user

Cheers

p.s. I have fixed it with help from a previous BM thread
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Bad Mister wrote:
- Improved the Keyboard Velocity Curve on MONTAGE6/MONTAGE7.


Is there any information on what has been improved. It seems to me that it plays a little bit more balanced, like there is less "surprises" going on at the higher velocity level. But that's just a subtle feeling, nothing concrete. So it would be interesting to hear more.
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Tyron wrote:
I usually have the Montage channel set to 1 (instead of ANY) as that allows for 'chord pads' use in Cubase . I am not sure why it works but it does for my needs so I've stuck with it.

The midi protocol on the Montage is behaving unusually since the update and 'Chordpads' is not working again can anyone recommend a work around / fix ?
Hi Tyron, I can not claim that I understood what's wrong. For my (relatively simple) MIDI needs everything works great. Just a hinch: did you play back the backup into the Montage before trying this again? Note that all settings have been reset, so maybe there was something which you put in earlier and have forgotten about, now?
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Sorry have just found an older post from BM where he suggested a fix - the work around for me was

''Press [UTILITY]
Touch "Settings" > "Advanced"
Find the MIDI I/O mode and select "SINGLE", then select a single MIDI channel on which to output the data.

This will send a single stream of MIDI event to your DAW, you can edit the data, then render the track to AUDIO. By rendering your edited track to AUDIO you can simply play back the AUDIO (keep the MIDI data in a Folder and MUTE the data)... use the Audio - now you free up your entire Montage to do more Tracks.

That is the workflow that will work''

I'm back in the game.

Cheers
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New Performances:


FM Sync
Hybrid Sync
Spiral Feedbacker
Spirals
Creeping Voltage
Iceworld
FM Spiral Dist
Santur-A-Delic

unhelpful sounds ... They could have given us something better. Nothing impressive

Maybe lead the sound of the final countdown, jump ....
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Anybody else getting a NG on the prep stage? Formatting again and copying a new 8N70Os and seeing if it takes.
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Different USB fixed the issue. I will take a look at the new Super Knob options. My FC7 Pedal comes in about a week, so I want to set up some of my own patches / performances. I have been getting a bit lost on super knob common and part assignments...., but I am only a few hours into this. Seems when I set up new performances using say the drums... and laying in a few other voices.... the Super Knob "preprogramming" helps me out... but not sure exactly what I am getting and why..... not sure if the programmers put those assignment on null parts to give us a head start? or is just inherited from where they left off performance editing...? Anyway having a blast.... I have to wait till the weekend to menu dive....with the new options. See if it helps burn a few brain cells.
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Hello to all - all worked fine, but the external monitor doesn't work during the update. Switched off when finished, replaced the dedicated Upfdater USB with the normal Back-up USB, switched on, all back to normal. As advertised, all User data has been wiped. Happy background bugs have been fixed, ambivalent about the new 'Spiral' effect, nothing at all for me in the new Pfs - just funny noises for the most part. Technically intriguing, but sonically unusable (for me).
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I'm too young with my my brand new Montage to judge, anyway it was pleasant to buy it on September 4, 2017 and after few days the firmware was updated.
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Mitchell wrote:

Different USB fixed the issue. I will take a look at the new Super Knob options. My FC7 Pedal comes in about a week, so I want to set up some of my own patches / performances. I have been getting a bit lost on super knob common and part assignments...., but I am only a few hours into this. Seems when I set up new performances using say the drums... and laying in a few other voices.... the Super Knob "preprogramming" helps me out... but not sure exactly what I am getting and why..... not sure if the programmers put those assignment on null parts to give us a head start? or is just inherited from where they left off performance editing...? Anyway having a blast.... I have to wait till the weekend to menu dive....with the new options. See if it helps burn a few brain cells.

Mastering Montage: The Super Knob The series of articles has already been updated to reflect the new firmware.
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You guys are just awesome...., just saw that... will be going thru it this weekend.

Which attribute to assign for adjusting pulse width of a basic square wave?

I am such a newbie but starting from the bottom up is what I need to understand how the common and individual parts are assigned. Mind Blowing....I am mimicking an ol Arp Odessy to keep me interested in the basic square wave, and saw tooth starter patches...., I used to get those two oscillators sounding pretty good....but now I will have an FC7 plus it seems a million other oscillators to boot.

I am really enjoying the streamlined workflow..... I got the Cubase/Elements Trial working for me for a few different workflows... so much to explore... but I can get it to work with templates (pretty amazing). The one cord setup is so easy.

I also have been just recording to usb...., that works great... to explore patches, and vocals with no fuss at all...., the only cords I have to mess with is if I plug in the MO6 or Mike into the inputs. Thx Mr Mister....and team!
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There's not an attribute to adjust the duty cycle of a square wave.

You'll have to approximate the sound with knobs you have available. Search for PWM threads - there are some examples that come "close" to the character. However, not full-fledged.

EDIT: I had some suggestions which were "new" approaches but upon further thought - would not work and only have a different phase for each note played which is not modulation in the sense of analog synths which modulate the sound in real-time (including past = sustained notes).

There is no "basic" square wave in the sense that Montage relates to anything as a square wave. Montage relates to samples (which can be "anything" - but not manipulated as fundamental wave shapes) or as FM - which can build a square-ish waveform but does not relate to the result as a square. You'll have to jab at this square-ish wave shape with other shapes and effects to try to coax what you want (in FM-X) or take samples and see what parameters which are available can help.

For AWM2 I'm not sure much can be done other than recording square waves of different duty cycles (up to 64) and then using motion control to volume switch each element in a round-robin manner. I haven't tried this - know the Montage doesn't have the samples in presets - but broader, haven't tried something like this and still do not have the keyboard online to test what limits there may be to switch elements in and out across 8 PARTs. AWM2 I would think would be generally more difficult -- except for just recording the PWM sweep static and playing that back without much control over the sweep speed/etc.
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Mitchell wrote:

You guys are just awesome...., just saw that... will be going thru it this weekend.

Which attribute to assign for adjusting pulse width of a basic square wave?

I am such a newbie but starting from the bottom up is what I need to understand how the common and individual parts are assigned. Mind Blowing....I am mimicking an ol Arp Odessy to keep me interested in the basic square wave, and saw tooth starter patches...., I used to get those two oscillators sounding pretty good....but now I will have an FC7 plus it seems a million other oscillators to boot.

I am really enjoying the streamlined workflow..... I got the Cubase/Elements Trial working for me for a few different workflows... so much to explore... but I can get it to work with templates (pretty amazing). The one cord setup is so easy.

I also have been just recording to usb...., that works great... to explore patches, and vocals with no fuss at all...., the only cords I have to mess with is if I plug in the MO6 or Mike into the inputs. Thx Mr Mister....and team!

PWM Discussion:
https://yamahasynth.com/forum/fm-x-tutorial-on-complex-patches#reply-23680
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Thx for the comprehensive response...FM is its own universe, yet to be explored (by me)...so I let go of previous assumptions.... and will let this thing do what it does best, as I play with the various parameters. I will work with the simple two FM patches that are in the demos as they work perfect for learning how the assignments work and how to pull in the motion sequencer.
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