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  1. Auriak
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  3. MONTAGE
  4. Thursday, 21 July 2016
Hello Sorry for this question...
I have try 3 Different Device Usb * 2 Vga and 1 Hdmi*
But None of them work... I have to do some special setting?
Because i don't find any setting to change....

Thank You in advance
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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External monitor function is not officially supported by the Montage. You are very much on your own if and when you attempt to do this. And please understand, it does place a strain on your instrument. There are no settings to change, it is NOT an officially supported function.
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ok thank You....
Anyway somehow is a little bit Official
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD78-j5-OYA
and if i can't use No Android Device, No Pc Yet and at The End no Monitor to....
So why You didn't putted a tilting display like on Your Tyros???
Sorry Your Slogan is the New Era Keyboard..
Then No Wifi, No Bluetooth, No Lan, No Hdmi out, No Vga Out,
No Hodl Button on Arp player,no ssd 2 tb, no advanced sequencer ecc ecc...
Is a really nice Keyboard no doubt but at least you could make it complete....
Everyone are asking for this...
Have a nice day....

By the way i think also if the keyboard was costing 1000 euro more no one would complain if it was complete...
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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ok thank You....
Anyway somehow is a little bit Official
No, I have heard from the engineers, this is not officially supported. That's official. I don't argue with them. You are on your own. Please be careful in experimenting with devices you plug into your Montage.

and if i can't use No Android Device, No Pc Yet and at The End no Monitor to....
So why You didn't putted a tilting display like on Your Tyros???
These have nothing to do with why we don't have a tilted screen like Tyros 5 on Montage. Totally unrelated. No "follow the bouncing ball" lyric animation on Montage, it's an entirely different customer.
For the Motion Control Synth Engine the Montage has the correct screen, in my opinion.

I really think the features serve the customer for Montage, perhaps it is not for you, at this time. If you find Tyros 5 more appealing perhaps it is the right keyboard for you.

Montage is first and foremost, a synthesizer. And in the area of programmability, the feature set on the Montage serves this purpose. Sorry, if it does not fit your needs.
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Thank you for your quick answer...
But You are wrong....I new exactly what i was buying....
I am using keyboards from over 30 Years...
I have atm after tons of keyboards.... The last One i sold with Big Regret 2 years ago was a Yamaha Synth Vintage from the 78....
1 Tyros 4 10 Years Edition *Only Black one you made = i have all keyboards black*
1 Korg Kronos X 88 with the last firmware
1 Roland A88 with the Roland Integra 7 *6500 Sound on Board*
1 Korg Piano Concert 3000 88 Keys to * i use it with a really Powerful Pc with it*
and The Yamaha Montage 8....
And i also wrote i like the montage very much... But this don't change my point of view.
I understand Your point of view.... But after all we are Your customers and i feel free to tell You our point of view. ;) ;) ;)
So please accept them... they are constructive for a better Future.
And this Monitor is really uncomfortable when You use many Keyboards Trust Me....
Have a nice Day

Auriak Ranvier


P.S. If this Monitor was ok why there are so many post about it?
Listen To Your Yamaha Fans guys... they love You and their tips are very useful
They use Your keyboards every day.........
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Auriak wrote:

Thank you for your quick answer...
But You are wrong....I new exactly what i was buying....
I am using keyboards from over 30 Years...
I have atm after tons of keyboards.... The last One i sold with Big Regret 2 years ago was a Yamaha Synth Vintage from the 78....
1 Tyros 4 10 Years Edition *Only Black one you made = i have all keyboards black*
1 Korg Kronos X 88 with the last firmware
1 Roland A88 with the Roland Integra 7 *6500 Sound on Board*
1 Korg Piano Concert 3000 88 Keys to * i use it with a really Powerful Pc with it*
and The Yamaha Montage 8....
And i also wrote i like the montage very much... But this don't change my point of view.
I understand Your point of view.... But after all we are Your customers and i feel free to tell You our point of view. ;) ;) ;)
So please accept them... they are constructive for a better Future.
And this Monitor is really uncomfortable when You use many Keyboards Trust Me....
Have a nice Day

Auriak Ranvier


P.S. If this Monitor was ok why there are so many post about it?
Listen To Your Yamaha Fans guys... they love You and their tips are very useful
They use Your keyboards every day.........


Good post!

Walt
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Thank You

;) ;) ;)
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Hi, to be sure that your 3 different device work, or not work.
1) connect you device to the usb to device port when the montage is off.
2) turn on your montage and wait it boot completly.
3) connect your screen.to the device.

The device with DisplayLink DL-165 chipset work fine for me, if one of your device have this chipset, try it in priority and respect the order of connexion.

It's this one, perhaps you have the same but you do not done the same connexion order than me :

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B019OKZ0D8/ref=pe_386181_137472591_TE_dp_1

Like Phil explain, it's not officialy supported, so at you how risk to test and try.
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I agree with you Auriak, I have recently upgraded from the Tyros 2 to the Tyros 5 and the tilting screen would have made life a lot easier when operating the Montage. My back hurts after an hour or so bending forward when seated trying to see what I'm pressing on the Montage screen. I don't think the arranger keyboard designers speak to the synth designers. Regarding the Tyros 5 I'm unimpressed with the tangle of wires connecting the MS05 speakers to the keyboard, they're not even all the same length.
About time Yamaha started to listen to their customers and not just tell us what features they want us to have
Peter
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Do a search on this forum as there are other posts about this topic with some products that have been tested to work. "Not officially supported" when Yamaha posted the use of a monitor for the whole world to see is kind of lame. I use my monitor every time I power up the Montage. Yamaha is avoiding any liability I guess.

One thing that has to happen for this to be able to work is that I have to have the adapter powered on first (NEVER USE A USB NON-SELF-POWERED ADAPTER OR WHAT LOOKS LIKE A UBS SPLITTER). Then power up the Montage and it will send out a signal to the monitor. You've got a 60/40 shot of acquiring the signal successfully. If nothing happens but a "full green screen" then I have to reboot to get it to work. Sometimes I have to do it 3 times.

I see this procedure is different from what was posted above. I'll have to try that method to see if I get better results. I still think the Montage sends out a signal upon booting up and only then can you connect to the adapter since there's no button to press to connect.
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Thank You Joel for Your Tips, i have tried but not working anyway ;(
Np i will buy the rigth one ...

Thank You Peter for Your Post (Btw i passed from the Tyros 2 to the 4 Special Edition)


And Thank You David To ;)


Sorry for late answare


Auriak Ranvier
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When will there be a list of adapters that actually works with the Montage .It is very nice to have a large screen for programming.
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The Dell Adapter DA100 (USB 3.0 to HDMI/VGA/Ethernet/USB 2.0) does not work for video, out the VGA port anyway. Didn't have a HDMI to DVI cable to try on my monitor.

The USB 2.0 port on it worked ok for my PNY memory stick however.
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I am impressed by this external touch screen, apparently controlling the Montage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGcXz__oPs
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Appears to be a Dell S2240T 22" Touch Screen Monitor With Touch Capability. Some users claim this monitor requires Egalax drivers and the Montage appears to have Egalax support.

There's another out of production monitor that looks the same. "P" series (same external mechanicals). It's a 23" screen.

Montage uses something called "tslib" to interact with touchscreens. Searching on tslib and monitors, I've seen users have success with the Dell E2014T monitor and tslib (not Montage and this monitor, but tslib - so YMMV).

For a less refined possibility: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NTMwOTc4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Displays/7_17_78_cm_Display_Set_mit_Touchscreen_LS_7T_HDMI_DVI_VGA_CVBS.html

This is said to use Egalax drivers.

I'm not saying any of these will work - but the youtube "demo" is interesting.

Some unofficial word may come out of this.
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Hello Jason - I'm looking at the Dell S2240T monitor (around €350) as even with my external monitor (not a touch-screen) it is still necessary to lean forward to be certain of touching the right spot on the Montage screen - I fail to understand why being a synthesiser makes any difference to the ergonomics of using it. My question is about the Egalax driver - presumably this has to be downloaded to my computer to enable the Dell monitor? Does the Montage already have it on board? I currently switch between the computer and Montage via a 2VGA in to 1VGA out Konig switch/ and it appears the Montage accepts external control so is compatible.
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The whole point of the video Jan sent in this thread was it appeared someone was able to get an external monitor that has touch-screen capabilities to plug into Montage and control the touch-screen using the monitor and NOT having to use the touchscreen on Montage itself. So presumably, you get this touch-screen-enabled monitor, plug the USB cable into Montage, then you see Montage's touch screen on the monitor AND you can touch the monitor (not Montage) you just plugged in and Montage will react to your MONITOR touches no longer having to have any Montage-TOUCHSCREEN touches. You could presumably place the monitor above your head and not have to lean over anything to see or touch it and control Montage. This is the "holy grail" of what you've been wanting if it works.

... about the drivers.

I'm saying Montage appears to already have Egalax drivers inside of it. No need to install anything. You can't anyhow because Montage is a closed system. Montage uses something called "tlib" to give it the Egalax capabilities - and depending on the version of tlib (I have no idea) you get different capabilities. I wasn't able to find a page that showed a list of monitors that tlib supports - maybe there's one out there. I just went as far as noticing "Egalax" based touchscreens appear to be supported in Montage and noticed a reference to the Dell S2240T in a forum about monitors is Egalax based. So it's not confirmation, but just a good sign that it appears Montage has "Egalax" support already embedded and a monitor that looks like it is working as a touchscreen for Montage is rumored to be "Egalax" based.

I also included a link to a cheapie Egalax based product. There's more out there if anyone wants to try without a huge investment. I think (hopefully) I got the ball rolling. And Yamaha will chime in at some point as would be prudent when a thread possibly goes off the deep end.
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Hello Jason - yes, I get the first bit - it's the only reason I'm interested in the Dell monitor - but I don't know anything about 'Egalax' drivers - I gather that it's embedded in Windows 10 as it is in the Montage. Is that your understanding too? I had a look at your cheaper alternative (and how!) but the screen isn't much bigger than the Montage one - as you say, there may well be others, but I tend to stick with the one that I've seen to work (even if I don't know exactly how!). I'm with you in hoping that Yamaha will come up with some guidance/advice on this issue - you have only to look at the number of views to see the extent of the interest ... pretty well Auriak's point in the first place.
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If I have ANY device - say it's a toaster - and I can plug it into a USB port - if I find an oven and plug it into the USB port and both the toaster and the oven use the exact same driver - then to the computer they're the same thing - there's no difference. Like I said, the "toaster" driver is already inside Montage. If you find an oven that can plug into Montage that uses the exact same driver - then chances are it will "just work" without you doing anything.

My references to drivers were simply to give an INDICATION that it may work. Forget about drivers. Pretend I said the Dell Monitor looks IDENTICAL to the Montage touchscreen - that somehow I saw it's the same hardware - so maybe if you plug it in it'll fool montage. That's not a technical way to say it (or even correct way to say it) - but maybe more understandable.

Montage does have drivers - hardware support - "modules" - they're pre-loaded. It's why only certain USB-to-HDMI/VGA converters work - because the driver for certain ones are already inside Montage. You didn't have to install anything to make them work (a QWERTY keyboard, a USB flash drive, certain USB-to-VGA converters). Maybe this Dell monitor can leverage that stuff and just work. Without doing anything but plugging it in.

I don't really know - I'm going by the video and matching what I see best I can. You also have to beware of trickery and the like (fake video). So who knows - I'm expecting Yamaha to chime in and call foul or to give the green light.
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Hello Jason - thanks! I too hope Yamaha might chime in, but my concern is not for the Montage - which as you say, I can do nothing about, it either will work or it won't - but my computer, which is the primary employer of the monitor. I understand from the Egalax website that Windows 10 supports it, so hoping it will drive the Dell S2240T just by plugging it in as well.
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Rod wrote:

Hello Jason - thanks! I too hope Yamaha might chime in, but my concern is not for the Montage - which as you say, I can do nothing about, it either will work or it won't - but my computer, which is the primary employer of the monitor. I understand from the Egalax website that Windows 10 supports it, so hoping it will drive the Dell S2240T just by plugging it in as well.


The only purpose I am talking about using any touchscreen monitor for is to plug into your Montage and never into your computer. That's the point of this thread - hooking monitors up to Montage. What you do with your computer not involving a Yamaha keyboard is outside of the scope of this thread or the forum as a whole except maybe the non-synth talk area. Surely a Dell monitor made for a PC will work with a PC. I've seen issues with compatibility with certain computers - not this model - but in general. Manufacturers like to play games to make the experience "worse" on non-native hardware (like if you're trying to plug a Dell component into an HP). They'll (the manufacturers) will claim this is not so - but if you deny support except for your own product line (which is "fair" in my opinion) then this is setting up a worse experience by omission (omitting support for certain 3rd party connectivity). If you're getting this monitor for your PC - then don't use this thread as a point of reference - I'm focused on Montage and what appears to be what many users have been asking for since nearly day 1.
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