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  1. Matthew
  2. Legacy Yamaha Synths
  3. Monday, 29 May 2017
I've spent the last few weeks really digging into the FW capabilities of my Motif XS8. I feel like in the last few day, I've finally started to really grasp using the VST editor in Cubase (Cubase 6). Recently, I have found a series of articles posted by Bad Mister on using the External Instrument functionality in Cubase to set things up so that the connection can facilitate not only stereo pairs, but also mono buses/returns. In the article, BM cites using v1.4 of the editor. It seems to me in the new version 1.6.4, I can already facilitate those stereo and mono buses. Before I go digging into the external instrument setup (although I might do this just to understand it better) I'd like to know if v1.6.4 of the VST editor gave us the functionality that was the purpose for setting up the External Instrument apparatus. In short, do we need the external instrument setup if we are using v1.6.4 of the VST editor? Thanks.

I've posted the link to the article from Bad Mister for reference. It's for the XF, but says it can be used for the XS.
References
  1. http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/setting_up_the_motif_xf_as_an_external_instrument_in_cubase_6
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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No. The Editors past 1.40 no longer require the Studio Manager... that's what's different about 1.6x and later...

The current version of the Editor VST has been streamlined and runs very smoothly inside any VST3 compatible DAW software. The External Instrument routing, which is available in the top-of-the-line version of Cubase, allows more flexibility when routing, particularly in setting up for your own recording. (Not available in AI, LE, Elements, Artist, or any of the other versions).

The Editor sets up 8 stereo pairs...
External Instrument is fully and flexibly configurable.

But if you are going to do individual Drum Key routing (separate Kick, snare, hihats etc) or if you know you want to record a Part as a Mono Audio Track, then using the EXTERNAL INSTRUMENT setup is highly recommended.

The article being referenced is ten years old... here is a more recent on (only one generation of Cubase ago)
Yamaha VST Editors - Cubase Pro 8
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Thanks so much. I'll go ahead and look into the external instrument for my drum tracks.

One other question since I have you. In the vst editor, when I choose the fw as the output, it removes the system effects. I'm not 100% why this happens as the signal flow that's creating that issue alludes me. Is there a way around this?
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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It's not an issue. If you choose a FW Output, this is like taking a Direct Out from a mixing console. The purpose for routing something to an Assignable FW (direct) Output would be to isolate it from the other signals.

The System Effects are communal Effects. They contain a mixed combination of all the signals sent in. Typical example would be the Reverb System Effect, every channel on the mixer has a Send amount Control that allows you to route that signal to the Reverb Chamber - the sound returning from the System Effects is mixed back to the Main Stereo Output. And is a composite and ghostly image of all the signals you send in.

The one word answer is ISOLATION. If your goal is to isolate the signal you would take a "direct" out path prior to the Sends to the System Effect. This path is post (after) the Insertion Effects, so both Insertion Effects are directed to the FW outputs, but NOT the System (Reverb and Chorus) also not going to the Assignable FW are the Master Effects nor the Master EQ... all are shared and only go out the Main L&R (or System) Outputs.

The only difference between the "Main L&R" and any of the FW pairs, "FW1&2", "FW3&4" etc. is the "Main L&R" include the Reverb, Chorus, Master FX, Master EQ.

If you wish to record your FW assigned Part with Motif XS Effects... remember the Insertion Effects are available via the direct Out assignment... this is why you'll find several of the Effect Types repeated in the Insertion Effects (Reverbs, delays, etc., etc., etc.,) so your individual assignment can have a Reverberation chamber all to itself. A requirement to maintain ISOLATION.
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Got it. Thanks Bad Mister!
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