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  4. Saturday, 26 November 2016
Is there any way that when you select Category Search The default would be the user bank, in alphabetical order? Set lists are great, but this would work better for my particular application. Thanks in advance for your help.
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There is not - I suggested a while back the ability to set the default as "all", "preset", or "user" - as, at the time, I was primarily dealing with "user" performances. At the time, I also conceded that the existing policy is not "half bad" since you can switch to the "user" filter entirely by using the buttons (no touchscreen).

Press the [CATEGORY SEARCH] button several times - and see the filter advances to the next All -> Preset -> User -> back to All

And press+hold the [CATEGORY SEARCH] button to force the "All" category.

Use of live sets also mitigates this limitation somewhat under certain circumstances.
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Bad Mister
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Is there any way that when you select Category Search The default would be the user bank, in alphabetical order? Set lists are great, but this would work better for my particular application. Thanks in advance for your help.
There are several different and quite unique roles for [CATEGORY SEARCH], you set the Bank, Attribute or you can type in any portion of the name, to narrow your search, depending on what you are searching for. You can also view them in the "Default" (as listed in the Data List), alphabetically by "Name" (or reverse), or by the "Date" (or reverse). And depending on how you enter [CATEGORY SEARCH] you will receive options to bring along certain "Parameters with Part" (bring along Part attributes like Motion Seq, Arps, Zone Settings, even Scene settings.

The current situation when you engage Search is to view "All", understandably- the User Bank is completely empty in a new Montage. Your first encounter with Montage is likely in your local music store. If it defaulted to a blank grid that would not serve any purpose. So we can all agree that probably "All" is the proper selection for the factory default. There are 1,920 Performances... imagine pushing Category Search the first time and its blank :-0

If your looking for a string sound, Category Search needs to show you what's on board, as an alternative to 1,919 button pushes stepping through the programs. Perhaps what you are looking for is a way to "latch" the option to a specific bank... because you are searching for just sounds from a specific location. (And you find yourself forgetting just how much work it is saving you). That request could be considered. But setting the SEARCH function is really just trading a few button presses for literally, hundreds.

I think perhaps a return to the "Favorites" option might be in order, so you can mark those sounds you use often in their own Category... might do the trick. "Favorites" could cross banks, Presets, User, even installed Library.
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Bad Mister wrote:I think perhaps a return to the "Favorites" option might be in order, so you can mark those sounds you use often in their own Category... might do the trick. "Favorites" could cross banks, Presets, User, even installed Library.
I would like that. Although, what I currently do (Have a live set bank for favorites) is pretty good, already. Just not when searching when trying to merge something in the current performance.
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Bad Mister
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When using the Category Search's "Merge" function, you can isolate the original Parts (touch "Org";) or the Part(s) you are searching through to merge (touch "Add";). This greatly improved the task of "merging" Performances.

I've discovered that many users I talk with remain completely unaware of the different [CATEGORY SEARCH] options, when they appear, and how they work. If you don't use the "Bank", "Attribute" and ability to search by typing functions, and if you don't use the sort features, it's easy to understand their confusion. If you don't use these, you wind up thinking there is a bug in duplicate names (several threads on this), and more users I speak to have this issue until they put together how the User Bank works. It's okay, it comes with getting used to a new instrument.
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Although the duplicates in https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/two-acoustic-bass-performances/oldest did not receive a follow-up. I do utilize the filters and sorting as well as bulk dump and the data listing to attempt to root out the reason for some duplicates. I didn't ever, myself, arrive at a great conclusion on that thread although the existence of part-level-preset-duplicates doesn't really bother me since they all contain the same parameters.

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And on the critique of "home base" as "User - Alphabetical Sort" due to thousands of clicks. This is a bit obtuse. I mean, currently there would be thousands of clicks if you left the current default of "All" bank with default sort. Of course, you do not "leave it there" - you refine in order to reduce the amount of clicking and touching. The request was to selectively/optionally/configurable start at a different "home base" than current one - and the user will certainly refine further to avoid a very silly scenario of just using the arrows to get where they want to go to. Although I made a similar type request earlier - I've since "moved on" accepting that I would rarely use category search on a gig - and that spontaneous preset recall is not a strong suit - so build my live set with the basics and work within that "box" when something unexpected (request for a song not in the set list or normal rotation) comes up - or leave keyboards out until I can fiddle with the buttons and screen. This isn't something that bringing me to the user bank is going to solve either.

One related item I'm sure I've had constructive critique about is the color contrast of everything labeled dark blue on the keyboard. Dark blue over black is a fairly poor choice for "CATEGORY SEARCH" and all the corresponding category labels on the physical buttons. "CATEGORY SEARCH" doesn't bother me so much because the button is easy to find without a label. But the category physical buttons are not easy to memorize and have I-can't-read-this-at-the-gig labels so I use the touchscreen which is, by its nature, just a tad slower than the buttons would otherwise be. I've used category search with buttons in the past - never really memorized anything other than a general feel for where some of the buttons are (on the MO6) - but the text was more properly contrasting. Sure wish something like the live set reverse was used. Maybe reverse blue with white text instead of dark blue with a black background. I'm sure a college intern in the industrial design department is thinking "I told you so."

It's (the suggested default for category serach) probably not the "best" solution - since there are other configuration items that may be more important / widely useful to add and adding this configuration item may displace something down the line since it takes up GUI space or memory space (and MIDI address mapping) to save the setting that is better used for something else.
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