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I believe that a new one should be on its way as its been 6 months since the last update. But I really hope the next update has listed to its user base in implemention of some requested features. :p
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I'm actively following this thread because I'm curious to know if and when there will be updates.
Unfortunately no-one seems to be able or willing to answer this ;)
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... and they never have. Sometimes you get hints of features which are on the horizon. I do not really see that right now - an obvious candidate.

The firmware announce, if given by an official channel, will be made on its own thread.
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You are absolutely right, Jason!

My 'old' S90xs seems to be yearning for a little less travelling life so I'm actively looking for a replacement.
Would be nice to know whether Montage is still a future-proof platform or that Yamaha has already moved on.
Yes, still considering Montage despite the MIDI-channel thing.....;)
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Nothing is really future proof. I've personally got the more portable Montage 7 and kept the S90XS for weighted keys which happen to be "the same" keybed as Montage 8.

It's going to take a little while, if the past is any indication, to get to the next iteration of the Motif/Montage line.

Also, R&D was asking some specific questions to keyboard players and Montage owners. If any of that is used to affect firmware development for existing product (and not just to inform follow-ons) - there could be at least one more trick up the Montage/MODX sleeve. I really have no read what the timeframe of action is for this - so there's nothing obvious to me about what the next firmware would/could be about.
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Could be time for a new software update for the Montage. Korg just released an update for the Kronos. Can’t be outdone!!!
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Genos new firmware confirmed, what about montage?
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Montage is a finished product. There is no sequencer coming and it is what it is so make the most of it, or sell it.
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Montage is a finished product. There is no sequencer coming and it is what it is so make the most of it, or sell it.

I know someone on a different forum that is in contact with Yamaha insiders quite closely, and he has seen their roadmap. The Montage & MODX are just getting started!!

Yamaha's plan is to extend these hardware products longer than previously done and provide new features/enhancements via Software updates.
The business model is to not re-design and re-engineer hardware & software, which is far more expensive to do than just updating the software (far more cost effective)...

We will be seeing many more updates to the Montage and the MODX in the future. We just have to be patient, because they don't want to release updates with new features too often without thoroughly having it bug checked & stable! We may see them add another 'major' piano to the Preset sounds, and possibly even a third engine (VA)..!
Yamaha have left quite a few empty slots for new preset Performances, and I don't think this was by accident! No ones knows how much extra room is available in the onboard library space...I bet it's more than most would have realized!!

I just bought the Montage 8 over the Korg Kronos after over 6 months of research & discussion on various forums (both Yamaha & Korg). I would not have invested that kind of money into a product if I heard rumblings that it was going to be a dead product anytime soon. What I have been hearing is just the opposite, and that Korg is far more due to replace their Kronos hardware line long before Yamaha does the Montage. The Montage was designed for longevity with the roadmap of software based enhancements, as was the MODX! This is a much less expensive way to keep giving us newly featured products...change the software instead both the software & hardware! And with two nearly identical Synths, it makes it that much more cost effective to feature enhance both of them for as long as possible! Remember the MODX basically gets whatever the Montage gets, and the MODX is just new to the market, so there is going to be great longevity in both hardware platforms...

Regarding having no sequencer, we may see enhancements to the 'Performance Recorder', but Yamaha have made recording MIDI/sequencing to Pro Tools, Cubase and many other computer based DAW software, so much easier with 'Montage Connect', that most people won't want to do the sequencing on the keyboard itself. They will likely take all that effort and put it towards enhancements in sounds, effects, engines, other features, and not into sequencing. The Montage and MODX are NOT 'Workstations'! They are Synthesizers, and by definition will not have an onboard sequencer. They have offloaded the sequencing to Computer based DAWs, and did an awesome job on making it easy to connect and do the MIDI/sequencer editing their, then import it back into the Synthesizer!
This is a good thing for anyone who owns or wants to own a Montage or MODX synth! More features & enhancements to come in the future for the Synth itself (no time & effort wasted on an onboard sequencer that never existed)...
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That's great to hear, and if Yamaha has no plans to introduce a new hardware revision in the next couple of years, a sequencer code for Montage/MODX should be a priority as it would probably double the sales. People want choices, and more and more people are discovering the joy and freedom of working OTB every day. If you ask 100 people who don't own a Montage if adding the Motif XF's sequencer coding (including song, pattern and remix modes) to the Montage would influence their decision to buy it, you would hear a resounding "YES!" Right now, I am using as hardware sequencer with mine because like many, I do not like to rely on desktops or laptops for composition, unless absolutely necessary, or when using, say- a laptop to be the 'brains' of a resource-hungry softsynth like Omnisphere, for example. That way, users can work with dedicated digital trackers/mixing software like Harrison's Mixbus and not be tethered to a particular DAW for compatibility/workflow reasons. Like I had mentioned- people want choices and reliability. Using computers (PCs or MACs) for composition is becoming more and more tedious and annoying every day. We just want to make music, and have creative freedom when doing it. Adding the Motif XF's song, pattern and remix modes would make the Montage actually live up to it's name. When you think about it, the Motif XF is actually a true 'montage' by definition and the Montage is more like a 'motif' machine. It could be one of the best workstations ever produced if they would only implement the missing song, pattern and remix sequencer modes. Calling it a synth doesn't make any real sense-especially comparing it to other dedicated synths; it's closer to a workstation than it is a synth, so why not transform it (through software updates) into what it should have been ( and what people want) in the first place?
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if Yamaha has no plans to introduce a new hardware revision in the next couple of years, a sequencer code for Montage/MODX should be a priority as it would probably double the sales.

If you ask 100 people who don't own a Montage if adding the Motif XF's sequencer coding (including song, pattern and remix modes) to the Montage would influence their decision to buy it, you would hear a resounding "YES!"

That way, users can work with dedicated digital trackers/mixing software like Harrison's Mixbus and not be tethered to a particular DAW for compatibility/workflow reasons. Like I had mentioned- people want choices and reliability. Using computers (PCs or MACs) for composition is becoming more and more tedious and annoying every day.

Calling it a synth doesn't make any real sense-especially comparing it to other dedicated synths; it's closer to a workstation than it is a synth, so why not transform it (through software updates) into what it should have been ( and what people want) in the first place?

From what I've researched, Yamaha decided to remove full sequencing when designing the Montage, because statistically MOST people that own Motif's and other 'Workstations', don't actually use the on board sequencer and utilize a Computer DAW or a dedicated sequencer device for sequencing. So I would bet if you ask those 100 people, most of them would not say 'lack of a full on board sequencer' is the reason they have not purchased the Montage. The Montage is the higher end Synth geared more towards Professional keyboard players, and statistically professionals are using DAWs for more than on board sequencers, because its a better workflow for sequencing, and thus the preferred tool. Even the MODX doesn't have full sequencing, yet is the hottest selling synth on the planet. Most people are ok with or prefer using a DAW for sequencing.
Editing sequencing via Pro Tools or Cubase or whatever DAW you are most familiar with is the way of the future, and more & more people are going this route because once it's setup, it's more efficient for editing, more precise, more options, etc. If you want to have an entire song sequenced using a Computer, you can get the 1st verse/semi-chorus/chorus laid down and recorded to separate MIDI tracks, then Copy & Paste (save a lot of time), make any subtle modifications, etc. quite quickly and easily. You can modify specific MIDI data on a track quite granularity and see more information on one larger screen at the same time.

Maybe Yamaha will change their road map and add full Sequencing, but from what I've heard the have no plans to do so, and their focus is on giving more and more features, sounds, functionality via software based updates.
I personally would prefer to use a DAW for sequencing and offload that workflow from the synth. Then once done, load the sequencing/MIDI file back into the Montage via USB. Maybe they will enhance 'Montage Connect' to allow us to load it via the USB to host cable in a future release and not need to load from USB stick..!?
I would rather Yamaha put their time and energy into providing more new sounds & features that enhance what/how we actually play & how we can control the sounds while playing live.

As far as composing music or saving ideas, the Performance Recorder will do the trick for me. It's a great tool to quickly save an idea for a new song, a piano part, or just an ideas that I think of and want to document on a scratchpad-like tool. I would like to see them add Punch In functionality per track in a future release, as that would be a bonus and I've added it as an idea on Ideascale...hopefully enough people will 'Up Vote' it and Yamaha will listen (something I'm being told is that Yamaha are actively reading through and listening to ideas on forums & ideascale):

(Here's the idea I submitted) "Montage/MODX 'Punch In/Out' Single/Selected Track/s":
https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Montage-MODX-Punch-In-Out-Single-Selected-Track-s/214571-45978

* However, this idea I also submitted IMHO is far more important than the Performance Recorder or Sequencing"
"Expand KBD CTRL to 16 parts on the Montage/MODX":
https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Expand-KBD-CTRL-to-16-parts-on-the-Montage-MODX/223218-45978

And this one as well:
"Add [KBD CTRL] to SCENE Mixing! (Montage/MODX)":
https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Add-KBD-CTRL-to-SCENE-Mixing!-Montage-MODX/230456-45978
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with regard to sequencing just update the performance recorder a bit more to allow some new tricks like step record and allow us to change the loop selection in realtime and also swap instruments in real time (exit the recorder screen while playing) and such and maybe it will get the job done.
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From what I've researched, Yamaha decided to remove full sequencing when designing the Montage, because statistically MOST people that own Motif's and other 'Workstations', don't actually use the on board sequencer and utilize a Computer DAW or a dedicated sequencer device for sequencing. So I would bet if you ask those 100 people, most of them would not say 'lack of a full on board sequencer' is the reason they have not purchased the Montage. The Montage is the higher end Synth geared more towards Professional keyboard players, and statistically professionals are using DAWs for more than on board sequencers, because its a better workflow for sequencing, and thus the preferred tool. Even the MODX doesn't have full sequencing, yet is the hottest selling synth on the planet. Most people are ok with or prefer using a DAW for sequencing.
Editing sequencing via Pro Tools or Cubase or whatever DAW you are most familiar with is the way of the future, and more & more people are going this route because once it's setup, it's more efficient for editing, more precise, more options, etc. If you want to have an entire song sequenced using a Computer, you can get the 1st verse/semi-chorus/chorus laid down and recorded to separate MIDI tracks, then Copy & Paste (save a lot of time), make any subtle modifications, etc. quite quickly and easily. You can modify specific MIDI data on a track quite granularity and see more information on one larger screen at the same time.

Maybe Yamaha will change their road map and add full Sequencing, but from what I've heard the have no plans to do so, and their focus is on giving more and more features, sounds, functionality via software based updates.
I personally would prefer to use a DAW for sequencing and offload that workflow from the synth. Then once done, load the sequencing/MIDI file back into the Montage via USB. Maybe they will enhance 'Montage Connect' to allow us to load it via the USB to host cable in a future release and not need to load from USB stick..!?
I would rather Yamaha put their time and energy into providing more new sounds & features that enhance what/how we actually play & how we can control the sounds while playing live.

As far as composing music or saving ideas, the Performance Recorder will do the trick for me. It's a great tool to quickly save an idea for a new song, a piano part, or just an ideas that I think of and want to document on a scratchpad-like tool. I would like to see them add Punch In functionality per track in a future release, as that would be a bonus and I've added it as an idea on Ideascale...hopefully enough people will 'Up Vote' it and Yamaha will listen (something I'm being told is that Yamaha are actively reading through and listening to ideas on forums & ideascale):

(Here's the idea I submitted) "Montage/MODX 'Punch In/Out' Single/Selected Track/s":
https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Montage-MODX-Punch-In-Out-Single-Selected-Track-s/214571-45978

* However, this idea I also submitted IMHO is far more important than the Performance Recorder or Sequencing"
"Expand KBD CTRL to 16 parts on the Montage/MODX":
https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Expand-KBD-CTRL-to-16-parts-on-the-Montage-MODX/223218-45978

And this one as well:
"Add [KBD CTRL] to SCENE Mixing! (Montage/MODX)":


https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Add-KBD-CTRL-to-SCENE-Mixing!-Montage-MODX/230456-45978

Where did you find the statistic showing MOST people prefer using a DAW over Motif XS/XF's sequencer? I don't believe that, sorry. Being able to play, sequence and edit notes on the Motif XS/XF is immediate and fun- no computer needed until it's time to track your instrumentals.
DAW's are the future? LOL, DAWs have been around for decades- if anything DAWs are becoming an option rather than a necessity for composition.
Why do you think there are sequencers like Pyramid available? SQUARP recognized a need for hardware sequencers because people
have been moving away from DAW-centric composition workflows for years now.
I really don't care at this point whether or not Yamaha adds a sequencer to Montage because I use an external sequencer with mine, but if they did add the same sequencer as the XS/XF's, sales would immediately increase as soon as it would be announced- no question.
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My lone voice in the wilderness - Monatge is (potentially) a world-beating SYNTHESISER - it doesn't need all these fancy twiddly bits for making automatic music ...
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My lone voice in the wilderness - Monatge is (potentially) a world-beating SYNTHESISER - it doesn't need all these fancy twiddly bits for making automatic music ...


There's nothing 'automatic' about a sequencer- you still have to program the sequence. In the right hands, under a capable mind, very organic music can be created using velocity, after-touch and proper modulations with articulations- and in the context of making songs (as opposed to personal-play sessions), being able to capture your performance on the spot, when inspiration strikes is why we use sequencers in the first place.
When it strikes, you need to get that inspired idea down asap before it's too late.
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Where did you find the statistic showing MOST people prefer using a DAW over Motif XS/XF's sequencer? I don't believe that, sorry.

I didn't find A statistic ... Yamaha & others gathered these stats. Ask them if you like or do your own research! I'm not going to try to dig back and find 6+ months of research just for you to believe me. If you are so certain, then don't believe me and believe only what you think you know!

Being able to play, sequence and edit notes on the Motif XS/XF is immediate and fun- no computer needed until it's time to track your instrumentals.

But that's not true full sequencing, that's a scratch pad at best! It would be great if Yamaha added some of that to the Montage, but not a deal breaker, nor a sales maker!!!

DAW's are the future? LOL, DAWs have been around for decades- if anything DAWs are becoming an option rather than a necessity for composition.
Why do you think there are sequencers like Pyramid available? SQUARP recognized a need for hardware sequencers because people
have been moving away from DAW-centric composition workflows for years now

You are full of it...LOL DAWs are coming of age. I bet you don't even know who did the first major "DAW Only" recording/album without leaving the digital realm, via Pro Tools..!? You won't find it easily via google, so unless you lived that era you will have a hard time finding it out, but it was well known to those of us who lived it. Hardware sequencers have been around & used more so than DAWs have been for sequencing since many years. Obviously you are not in touch with the here and now...DAWs are not just becoming an option, they are becoming an extremely popular option for much of the sequencing out there (do your research). Sequencers like Pyramid are becoming just an alternative at this point... You didn't live through the 80's as an adult did you, otherwise you'd know this stuff!?

I really don't care at this point whether or not Yamaha adds a sequencer to Montage because I use an external sequencer with mine, but if they did add the same sequencer as the XS/XF's, sales would immediately increase as soon as it would be announced- no question.

Yes, you do care, you already made that apparent! And you are Perfectly wrong to assume sales would immediately increase if Yamaha announced the Montage having a sequencer like the XS/XF's. This is just your opinion based on hope, but not research or knowledge of what's really going on out there. SQUARP would definitely disagree with you on this, and would not lose any sales from such an announcement! I bet if they added a sequencer to the Montage, you'd still use your external sequencer, which is what you are used to and know best. You are just not getting with the times...they are a changin' !
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There's nothing 'automatic' about a sequencer- you still have to program the sequence. In the right hands, under a capable mind, very organic music can be created using velocity, after-touch and proper modulations with articulations- and in the context of making songs (as opposed to personal-play sessions), being able to capture your performance on the spot, when inspiration strikes is why we use sequencers in the first place.
When it strikes, you need to get that inspired idea down asap before it's too late.

I'm really starting to see that you are not using a sequencer for it's main intended purpose...you seem to be using a sequencer as a scratch pad to capture ideas "when inspiration strikes".
The professionals that play live with a sequencer, don't have it sequenced just based on capturing "performance on the spot"... They will edit the MIDI so that it is just right as playback tracks when playing live!
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I'm 200% agree with Rod.
The more we present Montage "playing" alone, the more we discredit this fabulous instrument. For the models, personal I make them at home with my Daw. Montage is a targeted instrument for stage and live music.
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Even if the montage is geared towards stage an live performance, it must be acknowledged that many musicians are doing electronic music not just playing one part in a band. Electronic musicians value sequenced beats and rhythms. This is as necessary as guitar pedals are to a rock guitarist. So many Montage users may not want a sequencer because they dont make that kind of music. But many do.

Think of this: Since Yamaha is excited about its features such as the Montage can host external gear through midi and A/D input and control that device, it can do all this stuff and so forth, it is inconstant to then have the Montage be a Master device (with slave devices running through it) without sequencing capabilities.

It must also be acknowledged that there is something that happens when you control gear with an actual hardware sequencer verses a mouse. I know because I use a mouse all day long as I am a heavy DAW user. But would that be my preference? no. Why would Richard Devine spend all that money on a Polyend Sequencer if he just had a laptop with Cubase laying around? I dont know for sure, but ask him.
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There's nothing 'automatic' about a sequencer- you still have to program the sequence. In the right hands, under a capable mind, very organic music can be created using velocity, after-touch and proper modulations with articulations- and in the context of making songs (as opposed to personal-play sessions), being able to capture your performance on the spot, when inspiration strikes is why we use sequencers in the first place.
When it strikes, you need to get that inspired idea down asap before it's too late.

I'm really starting to see that you are not using a sequencer for it's main intended purpose...you seem to be using a sequencer as a scratch pad to capture ideas "when inspiration strikes".
The professionals that play live with a sequencer, don't have it sequenced just based on capturing "performance on the spot"... They will edit the MIDI so that it is just right as playback tracks when playing live!


Of course you didn't find a statistic, because there are none- that was just you spouting a bunch of bs to serve your argument, but like most of your ramblings, they have no basis in facts- and as you say- that is only your opinion.

Well the professionals that play live with sequenced music must be using a DAW on stage too with Montage- according to your logic lol.

I use a sequencer how it's supposed to be used (not sure what you were rambling about earlier) and as for the Pyramid, that's beyond your understanding so don't comment on something you know absolutely nothing about or have no experience with- I own and use 2, in addition to a Cirklon, another sequencer you know absolutely nothing about.

And to reiterate, no, I don't care about Montage not having a sequencer anymore because the Pyramid's sequencer is light years beyond the creative, functional capabilities of the XS/XF's sequencer- absolutely no competition.

And again, you really don't know what your talking about. There are more than a few postings on forums from people asking questions about the Montage sequencing capabilities. People would like to be able to have Scenes play in sequence- pre programmed to do so, and when they discover it doesn't even do that, they go looking elsewhere. Just because you don't know the real facts, you make up shit based on your own opinion, which is irrelevant by the way.

DAWs, coming of age lol! That's priceless. DAWs are just another consumer/prosumer option that is much less expensive than a studio console which everyone would love to be behind given a choice. As for DAWs, I've used and still use (if necessary), Cubase, *Reason, *Pro Tools *Logic (audio engineering college curriculum) Studio One, Samplitude, MixBus and Ableton- just name a few.

You make it seem like DAWs are this new technology when they've been used extensively since the mid- late ninetines. We're almost in 2020 and DAWs have been mainstream since the mid nineties- so much for 'coming of age' lol. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about ffs lol!

One more thing, yes they (DAWs) may have been tested in the late 70's but they didn't become mainstream until the nineties.
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Thanks Adrien! Though I'm not after starting a War here. From my point of view (purely a soundsman) the extraordinarily capable Montage has been compromised and massively increased in cost by adding bells and whistles that a synthesiser doesn't need. While leaving out some things it could do with as a synth. A synth is studio based and used to create the sounds you want. Those sounds are then transferred to a USB and plugged into a workstation, arranger, keyboard, whatever is used for stages and gigs - which can use those sounds as intended. Probably a Genos in this instance. Both the Montage and the Genos would be hugely less costly because each does one job and doesn't try to do both. The MODX is a step along the way but cut the wrong things out, still unwanted bells and whistles. Horses for courses.
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