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What amplifier and speaker setup are you using or can recommend for home/hobby use.
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I normally play through my PA which has Yamaha DSR112's over EV powered subs, but I just purchased an HK Audio Smart PA which I now use for a keyboard amp as such.... I can set it up and basically point the speakers at my head. The sound quality is stunning IMO.
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Many thanks for all of your replies and advice especially BM who as always has given me detailed informative replies helping me to become more educated regarding speakers and studio monitors.
To conclude this thread I eventually went for a pair of m-audio BX6 which I have today mounted on the wall above my keyboard and the sound quality is fantastic (to my ears anyway and that is all that matters). My concerns regarding lack of bass proved to be unfounded as the speakers deliver throughout the range.
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Studio Monitors are optimized for the engineer's sitting position - an equilateral triangle where the speakers are no more than 3 to 4 feet apart and you are no more than 3 to 4 feet from them. In that situation you would be amazed at the sound you can get. If you are, as you say, a fan of bass... here is a good rule of thumb.

If you buy Studio Monitors with a 5" woofer, you will feel the need for the matching sub-woofer. Studio Monitors are typically sold separately so you can create a system for example, that is 2.1 (Which is a fancy way of saying Left-Right and a Sub). If you are mixing a movie score you can build a 12.1 system (but for home that would be overkill) :)

If you buy Studio Monitor with an 8" woofer, you will not feel the need (so much) for the matching sub-woofer. But if you are mixing or a big fan of dance music (electronic or otherwise) you can still opt for the Sub-Woofer, although when you are within 3 to 4 feet of your speakers - you will find you have plenty of bass, and people in the next room will be thoroughly impressed with your pumping bass.

I do recommend Studio Monitors - because they are high quality and high fidelity.

The worst is the Keyboard Amp, they are LOUD (designed to be LOUD for others), the home situation is designed and optimized for the person sitting in what is called the "sweet spot"... the ideal seat. It's like going to an open seating concert... When the open the doors it is automatic which seats fill up the first. Those interested in SEEING run to the front center. Those interested in LISTENING run for the seats about 15-30 rows back dead center... because they know that is where the sound is optimized. You don't have to teach anyone about this, it is intuitive!

LOUD every thing sounds good loud. But LOUD with high fidelity is what you want to spend your money on. If you can visit a local music store - go down and listen to some Studio Monitors. I'm not sure where you are but stores offer all kinds of financing to help spread out payments... It's your music.

The worst thing is to spend money on the wrong thing, but if you are happy with what you hear in the store, you can be sure you will be happy at home. And if not, you have recourse. Just let them know your situation. Funny thing about music stores, they are used to dealing with MUSICIANS. :)

Not sure if they fit your budget but HS8 are very, very solid... We setup Montage with a pair of HS speakers in stores all across the USA, some HS5 w/Sub, some with HS7 w/wo Sub and some with just HS8s... and the reaction was great across the board.

Even if these are out of price range, I still would recommend the best Studio Monitors you can afford... But makes sure you listen to them - bring music you know, listen, decide, and establish a relationship with your sales associate so they know what you are thinking and you'll be surprised how they will likely work with you - especially if you "change your mind"!

As to EQ, you have more EQ in the Montage than almost any keyboard I can remember... but you will not need it - especially if you buy the right speakers!!! and set them up for yourself (equilateral triangle)...

Hope that helps.
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Thanks all for your further replies.
BM - "The audio quality of your Montage is top shelf, best in class, please do yourself a favour and get a system where you can enjoy it! ". You have hit the nail on the head as that is exactly what I want to do but within my budget. Part of my problem is that I over research things and end up finding it very difficult to make a decision but then I do not want to regret the decision I make.
The Blue Sky eXo2 system used by Michael is very similar to the Tyros 5 setup which I have and looks good but can I get a better sound out of my Montage buy buying studio monitors for around £400 ?.
In my head I seem to think that studio monitors although they are amplified speakers will be lacking in depth compared to an amp and stereo passive speakers but probably I am completely wrong. I am a fan of 'bass' and would be disappointed if I purchased studio monitors and found them lacking in this area. Can an EQ be put between the Montage and studio monitors to change the sound if I was not happy with it ?. Again I will be listening to my music and not mixing.
Apologies for my questions.
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@Chris:

It's as complicated as you want to make it. You asked for opinions, so you get a boatload of those. I still advocate just going and demoing a few different solutions "in person" and make a decision based off of the impression you get - trying to keep as many things the same (like the keyboard used; and room size - which is why I suggested taking the Montage to the monitor room which generally has a "room size" area - music stores vary).

To use an analogy: go to a dentist's message board and ask what toothpaste to use to brush a pet's teeth. You'll get lots of answers. When you google around - you'll find lots of focus on maybe whitening (like, in monitors, you find lots of information on transparency of the response "flat" - but you wouldn't care about whitening for pets in the analogy).

Then, in the dentist analogy, group members may point out things that matter like fluoride content or something and there may be tons of solutions that have different tradeoffs. At the end, the best idea may be for the toothpaste seeking OP in the analogy to take some of the suggestions and try them with his/her pets since all the suggestions don't help much if the pets reject it.

I've done fine running keyboards off of $20 boom boxes in hotel rooms when I didn't have an alternative. There's lots of choices you either have to take the time to sort through, or just buy something and deal with either liking it or not later. Or anything between. One thing I cannot do is reduce the amount of products which could possibly work for your application - that's dictated by a partially flooded market and more choices are available each year (maybe quarter).
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I'm not a pro, so take that into account.

I have my Montage hooked up to a Blue Sky eXo2 system, and I'm happy with the sound. The speaker system is of high enough quality that the difference between my Motif XF and my Montage was immediately obvious to me.
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For near field monitoring, I use Dynaudio BM6a speakers at my computer and do a lot of my listening/recording on these. They are great!

When I want to get loud I run my gear thru QSC K12 speakers and when the wife is out I switch on the QSC K-sub :p

I am very happy with the results.
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Is there any real difference between active studio monitors or amplified PA speakers fixed to the wall that an amateur such as myself would notice in my 12' x 12' room.
Since you asked the question, I hope you are willing to accept that there is an answer, that YES, there is a difference. If you don't have room for speakers - get yourself a good set of headphones- -audio systems are as good as the weakest link.

The audio quality of your Montage is top shelf, best in class, please do yourself a favor and get a system where you can enjoy it!
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As I have previously said I do not require speakers for monitoring just for listening to what I am playing on the Montage. Is there any real difference between active studio monitors or amplified PA speakers fixed to the wall that an amateur such as myself would notice in my 12' x 12' room. All I am looking for is a reasonable sound quality and improvement over my current mono keyboard amp. I didn't think that buying a pair of speakers would be so confusing :)
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Maybe if you stick to other keyboard oriented sites:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2226242/What_Studio_Monitor_Do_You_All.html

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=50295.0

and so on. Although best to go with your ear. Not ideal, but music stores usually have a variety of speakers available and typically would have a Montage as well (at least for the next several years). You can ask to have different monitors hooked up to see how they sound. The not ideal part is the difference in the room and other distractions (sound-wise) at music stores. Also, the larger room sizes typically at music stores are going to skew the results - sometimes there's a smaller monitor / mixing room - maybe you can ask to move the keyboard to that room and get a better idea.
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After checking the dimensions of the HS7's I have unfortunately decided that they are going to be too big for the space that I have :( and have now put the M-Audio BX6 at the top of the list which are a bit smaller but have a similar spec. However having read just about every review of speakers on the internet one thing really puzzles me and that is it seems that no one ever talks about speakers for simply playing the keyboard. Surely I cannot be the only Montage owner who simply enjoys sitting at the keyboard and playing it and have no interest in mixing music with 'flat' speakers.
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Yes to let you know that after reviewing everything I have decided to go for the Yamaha HS7.
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The Behringer Truth 2031A?
That's hard to say. It looks the part. I noticed it says Bi-amped and seems to have good power. I always go to an independent, 3rd party reviewer to see how they might rate these for their price range. See if you can find how it compares to others within its class.
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Rod - Rokit 7 do not seem to exist as I can only find 6 or 8 advertised.

Dave - How do you rate the Behringer Truth 2031A in the studio as I will only be using speakers in a 12ft x 12ft room.
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Second hand gear can be a miracle waiting to happen. Just be careful to pick someone that offers returns and has a long standing rating of excellence. I've lived off ebay for 10 years. You're 100% protected. It's a beautiful thing. No I don't work for them.

A low quality/low powered subwoofer will indeed sound like muddy waters. However a tight, tuneful, high power sub-cone will bring the world to life. Probably 75% of the Montage performances make good use of a subwoofer. Not to mention you can adjust it to taste. If you're acquainted with those multimedia cone-in-a-box that make a muffled rumble then that's not a quality subwoofer.
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Hello Dave - they look good but relatively pricey - at least the asking price does! I tend to stay away from e-bay because of delivery problems in the past, preferring to deal with outfits like Gear4Music and Thomann's - and I worry about being second-hand when that applies!

Chris - I decided on the Rokit 7 rather than the 6 for the same reason - a bit more oomph at the bottom end. I'm not keen on sub-woofers, as the nett effect to me is to 'muddy the waters', but what I lose i depth I gain in clarity' Bit of a personal trade-off.
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FWIW I use Behringer Truth 2031A monitors in the studio - they are useless for gigs and I have just bought a Turbosound iP2000 column outfit for gigs ideal I think as it can be set up using Bluetooth from anywhere in the venue, it can also be linked via Bluetooth to a second column if you wanted stereo, cost a reasonable £845. One third the price of a Bose system yet , in most reviews, better performance.
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You might search ebay for some JBL LSR4328P with room monitor, networking and computer control software. The wave guides are nice and the rubber like surround eliminates any reflections and vibrations etc. My friend has the Yamaha HS series and he is astonished by my system. You should also search for the matching sub.

Here's one pair for dirt cheap for what you get and in the boxes as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-LSR4328P-8-IN-SPEAKER-PAIR-MONITORS-TWO-WAY-SYSTEM-PAK-STUDIO-DJ-PRO-BI-AMP-/122266366572?hash=item1c77a4b26c:g:mQ8AAOSw5cNYTety

The SUB shown here although this one isn't working but this is what it looks like.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-LSR4312SP-12-Linear-Spatial-Reference-Powered-Subwoofer-/152456100628?hash=item237f177b14:g:XSMAAOSwCU1Yt1Fh

Some people complain about the rubber surround, it can be treated, but this is what dampens the vibrations and eliminates the reflections.
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Hi Rod - Thanks for your reply and I hadn't looked at the Rokit range but they do look interesting as the reviews say that they are not as flat as most. At the moment I seem to have narrowed it down to the Yamaha HS7 or Rokit 6 G3. As I said in my original post I do not want speakers for professional mixing, just for playing live in my room. I play most types of music from ambient through to EDM and do like to hear the bass and am a bit concerned that the HS7's may be lacking in this area. The problem that I have is that there are no longer any music shops in my home town to go and compare speakers so am having to go on other peoples experiences and advice.
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Hello Chris - the Behrinnger B2031A 'Truth' monitors were on my very short list, as were the KRK Rokit 7 G3 and Yamaha HS7, all in much the same price range (€400 the pair delivered), which is not bad. But I look at them and they're much the same size, shape and weight as my old Alesis M1s, and I do wonder just how much better will they really sound? I mentioned getting your ears tested - no joking - I have 30% hearing loss at both ends of the scale, so there's absolutely no point in reproducing sound I can't hear anyway. But your need is greater than mine - mono is not good for a stereo output - so I'd go with with a new pair of monitors - my own tentative choice is the Rokits, because they tend to colour the sound a little and I dislike absolutely flat response.
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